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Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 12:33
by Raúl
Hi!! So the thing is I am not addicted to alcohol, but sometimes, once every 2 weeks I get drunk with my friends, it happened me yesterday and the effect of alcohol it's very weird in my process... it makes me feel, why would I do a process? what is this that I am doing? Can't I just live and learn alone? I feel a resistance with allowing desteni to influence my mind, like if I could easily misinterpret what I am doing to my mind based on desteni, I feel like if there was a normal person of this world seeing my process and saying why do you allow these people/knowledge to influence you against your mind?
I mean there is nobody I know that I can really share this with, because to show to a person to be against his own mind it's something very akward and taboo

Can you support me with this drug? Is there anything that you can share with me to support me in understanding how alcohol affects the mind?

Re: Alcohol

Posted: 27 Jul 2017, 16:50
by Marlen
First of all here's the Design of Alcohol video so check it out to understand what it does.

Second point is clarifying what you are perceiving 'desteni' is in relation to your mind which is definitely not at all about creating a relationship of antagonism or battle 'against your mind', it is about in fact understanding who we are as our mind, understanding how we've created ourselves as our minds, the relationship that it has with our being and physical body and so learning the ways in which we can create/develop a relationship of self-support and self-direction in our minds and use it as the platform to live, express and create in a living and supportive manner, which is what it was initially intended to do.

Therefore what I suggest you do first of all is straightening up/aligning these ideas within you of having to be 'waging war against your mind' or 'desteni being about fighting with your mind' because that's absolutely not so. I understand this may appear being the case where in the material, the initial videos, one would hear a lot about 'you have to stop the mind, you are not your mind' but I'd say that such statements required a lot more understanding in relation to what it means to stand one and equal to one's mind so that then we can direct ourselves as it, instead of being automatically directed and automatically 'living' through programs, systems and patterns that we came to automate ourselves with.

A couple of interviews that I've defined as essential to understand the relationship to our mind, in terms of understanding its historical context of creation, its purpose and existence and our responsibility to it - instead of blaming a 'creator' or feeling 'powerless' towards our minds and current situation all are here:

Atlanteans - Caged in Powerlessness - Part 30

Atlanteans - How we became the Mind's Foundation - Part 31

Atlanteans - Who's Responsible for the Enslavement of Mankind - Part 32

Atlanteans - Missing The Point of Ourselves - Part 41

Atlanteans - How and why our Lives Aligned with the Planets and Stars - Part 42

Atlanteans - How the Mind change the Fabric of the Physical - Part 43

Atlanteans - Why the Mind is Inferior to the Superiority Physicality - Part 44

Atlanteans - How beings were imprisoned-transformed into Planets - Part 47 (Understanding Anu's role in existence and so his creation as the mind)

Atlanteans - We've Never Changed - Part 51

Atlanteans - How We Lost 'Who we Are' - Part 56 >Very important one about understanding how we created a relationship of powerlessness to change ourselves, how we 'gave ourselves up' in relation to the mind and what we need to do for the first time in order to live and define who we really are in our mind, being and body

To me understanding the history of how we are the mind assists a lot in integrating it as a part of me, my responsibility and so equalizing myself to it, which means understanding who I am as it. Again, be aware of the decisions you make to check this material out, each one's responsibility and awareness in getting it.

Ultimately it's not that 'alcohol' is the problem in itself, but the relationship you've created towards it. So, you can also look at what is the drive behind you wanting to 'get drunk' every now and then, what's your starting point, the purpose, your intent with it? And so you work with the answer to these questions, which will show you all of those aspects that you are still seeking to obtain as an experience, or how you want to 'get away' from something you are holding a negative relationship to.

In this case it makes sense to also review your relationship to 'desteni' in itself where you are making it something that seems 'threatening' or 'abnormal' or exist as a 'conflict' within you, instead of rather seeing that desteni are simply tools that anyone can use to learn how to better themselves, their lives and create a supportive outcome for oneself and others in life.

So, finding the reasons behind wanting to drink is by far a good start to then see more of 'who you are' towards alcohol, not so much to judge the substance in itself. It's always about the relationships we create with the drugs that are the problem, the drugs just 'are' we always have a choice to use them or not, and that's where self responsibility exists.

Re: Alcohol

Posted: 12 Nov 2017, 01:59
by Raúl
Thank you for these words you wrote for me, wish I could have a way to thank you. Today I was with my friends, and as usual we were going to get drunk, but last weekend I got drunk and completely forgot about even what was my process, so it was a bad experience and I didn't want it to repeat. So I decided to not get drunk, at first I was happy of finally not even desiring to get drunk, it was like I won't ever need alcohol again, and it's a nice choice and I am happy about it, but in the group of friends everybody was doing his drunk show and yes, i was there laughing and getting fun but not in the same way than them... and I was like, I wish more people could and desire to go this way, to simply find if it's totally necessary that we depend on alcohol to have fun, and they say they don't depend but they obviously do, and I was like okay I am here with my guitar and I could be having fun free of drugs and singing or whatever but everybody was drunk and I felt a bit out of place. I enjoy a lot coming to my home, where I work on my process, where it's just me, I don't go with people from the starting point of I depend on this happiness that it's what all my friends do, they have like this need to be with a group of friends and feel accepted, and I enjoy it, even if most of people is different from me in the sense that nobody is in a process or is interested on it, but for me it makes no difference to be alone or with people. I guess I am gonna have to get drunk if I desire to have some social life. I imagined like, it would be funny if people would learn a real way to have fun without drugs, and the whole world was like that, and once it's learnt it's when you can really decide if to take the drug or not, it's like the fun of the people would be something real they in fact get for themselves, and not just a "letting go" caused by the drug and a false sense of fredom that leaves you worse and more lost. But I guess I can drink alcohol if I am aware of what is going to do to me and I don't get lost, in fact I should to because I would like some social life while I am so young.

Re: Alcohol

Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 17:52
by Marlen
I can understand where you're at because I also had similar ideas over 10 years ago about me being able to only socialize if drinking at the same rate that most of my friends did at the time, and and interesting thing is that now that I've hung out with some of them after a decade or so, I realized how much of our relationship was based on simply drinking together and talking about anything and all at the time, which might have worked for me as 'socializing' at the time, however now it's simply not something that I would do as part of what I want to live as socializing, which to me entails getting to know people in the simplicity of conversations we can start and continue on a regular basis, without requiring any drugs or alcohol to enjoy it.
So I guess it has to do with phases in our lives, but I found that alcohol for the most part makes everything more clumsy when it comes to actually getting to converse/talk with others - even more so when the other ones are drinking as well - so, I had to rather see where and how I was holding on to an idea of 'fun' and 'socializing' only IF drinking or smoking weed for example.

Lately I've been realizing that I enjoy getting along with people in a rather more stable and simple environment, like coffee shops or taking a walk out in the streets while having a chat with them, but again that also wasn't my 'preference' ten years ago, so this new way of establishing friendships and relationships emerged as part of the process I've walked throughout these years with the Desteni tools. So, cool if you see that you can test it out while remaining aware of yourself and of course being responsible in its use.

So I share this also to give a perspective on how we define 'socializing' as an experience, instead of an actual process of developing relationships with communication, sharing, nurturing relationships and learning to enjoy getting to know others in sober ways :)