The MULTI-DIMENSIONS of Support - 28 June 2017

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The MULTI-DIMENSIONS of Support - 28 June 2017

Postby Marlen » 28 Jun 2017, 21:57

1:36 PM]
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: The MULTI-DIMENSIONS of support - how to make sure you are not supporting another according to your own expectations, but ensure that you are standing in THEIR SHOES - we start 5 after the hour

[2:01 PM]
valentin.rozman Hi all :slightly_smiling_face:

[2:01 PM]
yoganb Hola

[2:04 PM]
sunettedimensions Within and throughout the past years - 13 / 14 of Portalling, working and walking with Bernard and beyond this - there is one constant I have noticed when it comes to people: we are as different, as we are similar. This also relates to SUPPORT in walking through the mind into awareness. I have come across many people supporting 'others' and most giving up in a year, even sooner, using the common statement "they don't want to help themselves" - so, let's start here. Even me - when I started in this process - sometimes I spent even less time with a person and just went into "they don't want to help themselves" - but have we ever really DEFINED what this means? Let's first start with ourselves...."I don't want to help myself":

[2:04 PM]
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: The MULTI-DIMENSIONS of support - how to make sure you are not supporting another according to your own expectations, but ensure that you are standing in THEIR SHOES - WE START

[2:05 PM]
sunettedimensions One of the MAIN dimensions I have equated when supporting another is me self honestly having explored every and ANY avenue I possibly can to support another and NO other options opening up within a month or so...

[2:06 PM]
Only then can I step back and say "I have done what I am able"

[2:06 PM]
Even with myself -

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If my "trying to change a point" is making me / what I need to do worse / compromising it - I ask for support / reach out

[2:08 PM]
So, whenever supporting another, I make sure I can stand by and before them and SHOW "I have done and pushed myself to every dimensions I could to support" OR "this is how you challenged me, I walked through and pushed through them, still - our paths separated"

[2:09 PM]
So, what we are discussing here is:

[2:09 PM]
anna "If my "trying to change a point" is making me / what I need to do worse / compromising it" how do you mean @sunettedimensions?

[2:09 PM]
sunettedimensions @anna if you are trying to change self judgement alone

[2:09 PM]
without help

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but it causes you to hurt yourself more than help yourself

[2:10 PM]
anna Right ok

[2:10 PM]
sunettedimensions then you need to actually ask for support

[2:10 PM]
the word LENIENCY - we give ourselves YEARS to walk through a point, and change it - but when it comes to others, we tend to expect change within a certain time frame


[2:11 PM]
Soooooooooo - question here is: how to stand as a support for another within your own self honesty without defining another?

[2:11 PM]
Meaning - sometimes YOU YOURSELF cannot be the support for the person they need


[2:11 PM]
according to you "I have done what I can"

[2:12 PM]
but then we tend to say "I have done what I can so THEREFORE, they don't want to help themselves"....

[2:12 PM]
joekou yes very cool and timely topic to discuss


[2:12 PM]
garbrielle yes this is a point i have been wrestling with for a while

[2:12 PM]
ida agree @joekou

[2:12 PM]
sunettedimensions how about - the person needs another INDIVIDUAL, ANOTHER METHOD you have not personally explored or lived or thought of?

[2:12 PM]
anna Yes

[2:12 PM]
mikemcd :)

[2:12 PM]
sunettedimensions No judgment or this / that way or what's right / wrong

[2:13 PM]
joekou where we go 'i did all i could. i have put in X amount of time/hours/effort but THEY don't want to change/take responsibility'

[2:13 PM]
yoganb Maybe add to the statement: "I done what I can," " but maybe someone else can help you better"

[2:13 PM]
mikemcd Creative collaboration

[2:13 PM]
joekou in a way getting frustrated because we couldn't reach 'them'

[2:13 PM]
the just 'dont want to hear me'

[2:13 PM]
sunettedimensions @yoganb yes that's where I am going with this

[2:13 PM]
joekou but not seeing whether or not the support is actually in fact about what is best for them as they are, where they are, in this moment

[2:14 PM]
sunettedimensions So,

[2:14 PM]
who has listened to Anu's process location points recordings?

[2:14 PM]
joekou and not seeing whether my frustration of 'i cannot reach this person' is in fact valid - from the perspective of - i maybe don't know what they actually need right now, or what support they actually require

[2:14 PM]
anna Yes

[2:14 PM]
sunettedimensions explaining the LOCATION point of each one's process in existence?

[2:14 PM]
marlen It's also something we self-honestly know as well, where we are 'giving up' on someone, or when we have actually tried, tested different ways, avenues, have given the time etc to then get to that point of 'ok maybe this is it for us, but someone else might be able to assist you better'

[2:14 PM]
mikemcd On the bucket list

[2:14 PM]
garbrielle is this with Marduk Sunette?

[2:15 PM]
marlen long time ago, yes

[2:15 PM]
ida or maybe we judge ourselves, feel guilt and blame towards self for not being able to support.. and then possibly going into blame towards them as 'they just dont want to help themselves'


[2:15 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @garbrielle with marduk, Anu, Enki and Enlil

[2:15 PM]
garbrielle yes i have listened then

[2:15 PM]
anna Yes

[2:15 PM]
sunettedimensions That is a cool dimension to explore @ida yes

[2:15 PM]
So:

[2:15 PM]
anna Yes @ida

[2:15 PM]
mikemcd Ohh..i mistaked this for new recordings...should havr a re listen

[2:15 PM]
sunettedimensions I suggest for those reading

[2:15 PM]
and for those here

[2:16 PM]
who have not listened to the reptilian series in EQAFE on process location points - to do so please

[2:16 PM]
who has links nearby to support?

[2:16 PM]
mikemcd Yes please

[2:16 PM]
marjo Is it 'different locations'?

[2:17 PM]
joekou https://eqafe.com/p/different-locations ... s-part-503
EQAFE - Self-perfection Interviews, Books & Music
Different Locations - Reptilians - Part 503
Why are the different levels and locations of life, Process, awareness, understanding etc no better or worse than any / each other? Why is it important not to judge other people for who and where they are in their life right now? Why is it important to remember the process that each person must walk in order to deepen their understanding in different areas of life? (271kB)

[2:17 PM]
sunettedimensions The HEART of the recordings shares that each one of us on earth are in different TIME ZONES of our processes

[2:17 PM]
we are in different points and experiences in our MIND BEING and BODY processes

[2:17 PM]
anna Yes that you can't compare where you are in process @marjo

[2:17 PM]
marjo Thanks

[2:17 PM]
sunettedimensions which would also mean that as such - an individual personal needs more and/or less time to walk through mind / life points

[2:18 PM]
carlton Thanks

[2:18 PM]
garbrielle yes makes sense

[2:18 PM]
sunettedimensions *an individual person needs..

[2:18 PM]
valentin.rozman I noticed how I was not successful at supporting a girl next door for the first three years after I moved to current apartment. But several months ago I realised how much different life experience she had and how different personality she developed so I copied and mimicked her expression. In this way I was able to “speak her language” and reflect her patterns with great success. I am now continuing with refining my approach and taking much more time than before in order to give her an effective support.


[2:18 PM]
sunettedimensions Some TAKES YEARS to walk through ONE POINT YET takes a couple days to quickly move through others


[2:19 PM]
So, when we come across a person who doesn't seem to want to help themselves

[2:19 PM]
anna There's also that point of how process is determined by the people around you, what they need to walk etc

[2:19 PM]
sunettedimensions we should actually have a look at some STRENGTHS

[2:19 PM]
meaning, with ourselves

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in our own processes


[2:20 PM]
mikemcd The volatility in our life vitality...scaling through our expansion...predictably unpredictable..lol


[2:21 PM]
janmegens Hi all, little bit late.

[2:21 PM]
sunettedimensions we are quite lenient in that - we struggle on some things we give ourselves time for but while we work on the difficult things, we focus on that which we can change

[2:22 PM]
valentin.rozman I also realised how delicate the limit is between seeing personality of others as something that they deliberately use to manipulate others to get attention and should not be tolerated and between understanding that what they have become is a result of their environment that shaped them many years and thus they can not easily change so a slow and tender support is needed for them to break free from patterns of limitation.


[2:22 PM]
sunettedimensions When we tend to want to HELP others

[2:23 PM]
we focus only on the negative

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we seldom balance their strengths


[2:23 PM]
valentin.rozman Hi @janmegens :slightly_smiling_face:

[2:23 PM]
lysander Good point @sunettedimensions

[2:23 PM]
sunettedimensions When we as individuals can't change the negative we think we failed / the other simply isn't interested

[2:23 PM]
SO

[2:24 PM]
What I am suggesting is a BALANCE always


[2:24 PM]
FIRST STARTING WITH SELF


[2:24 PM]
before we continue this pubclis chat on Saturday to support many others

[2:25 PM]
Let's do an exercise from today until Saturday


[2:25 PM]
Veno and Lilly are joining me for this


[2:25 PM]
carlton cool

[2:25 PM]
sunettedimensions We are going to note our WEAKNESSES and strengths in a balance


[2:25 PM]
anna Cool! Hi guys!

[2:25 PM]
sunettedimensions and SUPPORT BOTH EQUALLY


[2:25 PM]
valentin.rozman Yes, balance is the key to achieving everything

[2:26 PM]
sunettedimensions Not just look at the BAD and try and HELP / SAVE IT but look at the GOOD and STREENGTHEN IT


[2:26 PM]
the ultimate outcome is to extend it to others


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NEVER go into the position of

[2:26 PM]
I NEED TO HELP THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


[2:26 PM]
but to stand in the position of "how can I show them their equal weaknesses and strengths to work on"


[2:26 PM]
and if the weaknesses take over, to focus on the strengths


[2:27 PM]
Some may ask how did we get here from our heading above?


[2:27 PM]
We tend to want to PROJECT others giving up who we are trying toi HELP only with their PROBLEMS - when in fact


[2:28 PM]
we are not equally helping ourselves OR THEM to BALANCE equal support with strengths and weaknesses


[2:28 PM]
to BUILD THE GOOD while we tackle the BAD essentially


[2:28 PM]
if we focus on the BAD ONLY - we fuel it


[2:28 PM]
any questions?

[2:28 PM]
valentin.rozman Helping others is in a way a good practice to see how we need to change in order to understand and support others better. So others are supporting ourselves by being an opportunity where we can practice and master our communication skills.

[2:29 PM]
sunettedimensions @valentin.rozman yes and no

[2:29 PM]
first start with yourself please


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So, until Saturday - no others involved, only self


[2:29 PM]
Focus on YOUR OWN strengths and weaknesses during the week


[2:30 PM]
valentin.rozman Ok

[2:30 PM]
sunettedimensions @valentin.rozman you can't help others AT ALL without knowing how to do it for yourself


[2:30 PM]
valentin.rozman Sure @sunettedimensions

[2:31 PM]
dan All clear, balance my focus on my strengths and weaknesses, and watch out for projecting when imbalanced.


[2:31 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @dan

[2:31 PM]
ida no questions. I can relate though. ANd see how I have been doing it in my own process, focusing much on the problems/negative, and then changing it more to focusing on strengths.. this we did interviews on when I was at the farm and it has supported me and the 'others' in my life


[2:31 PM]
sunettedimensions So that we can TRUST OURSELVES when it comes to others


[2:32 PM]
mikemcd Yes


[2:32 PM]
sunettedimensions and we say "they don't want to help themselves" - it's not in reaction and giving up, essentially this statement should not be used. Where we have to stand with another is "I have self honestly done what I can, I suggest you walk to this / that person - but my time with you is done from ym process experienc3e"


[2:35 PM]
dan It's a cool point of equality, respecting each individual and not becoming ego-invested in others' outcomes


[2:35 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @dan but CHALLENGING yourself and doing what you can


[2:36 PM]
valentin.rozman Yes, we all have limited time and if others do not respond effectively to our support then it is better to invest time into someone else who does

[2:36 PM]
sunettedimensions @valentin.rozman

[2:36 PM]
you're making my point of what not to do....................


[2:36 PM]
equating time to support

[2:37 PM]
mikemcd I wrote a blogb yestetday aboyt how being a hero is overrated...and is really a slave mentality


[2:37 PM]
sunettedimensions @valentin.rozman

[2:37 PM]
valentin.rozman That was not my intention @sunettedimensions

[2:37 PM]
sunettedimensions suggest just keep it simple and basic


[2:37 PM]
start with the suggested exercise as outlined above


[2:38 PM]
yoganb As is

[2:38 PM]
sunettedimensions What Veno and Lily will be doing every day


[2:38 PM]
note a highlight of a strength and weakness they notice


[2:38 PM]
lysander @mikemcd where can I find that blog?

[2:39 PM]
sunettedimensions and next day strengthen the strength and strengthen the weakness


[2:39 PM]
They will share their process an dexperience on Saturday


[2:39 PM]
mikemcd https://steemit.com/writing/@worldclass ... -1st-draft
Steemit
Being a Hero is Overrated...Like Way Overrated (1st Draft) — Steemit
Hero mentality is like this larger than life mentality of superiority that is here to 'save the say'. How many… by worldclassplayer (180kB)
Today at 10:18 AM


[2:39 PM]
tormod Cool ! Like linguistic work


[2:40 PM]
lysander Awesome, thanks Mr.Mike

[2:40 PM]
mikemcd Pleasure soul brother :)


[2:40 PM]
lysander Ans weaken the weakness @sunettedimensions ?

[2:40 PM]
And

[2:40 PM]
tormod Like Building support structure with as is glases


[2:41 PM]
lysander nvm lol

[2:41 PM]
sunettedimensions @lysander think you misread yes lol

[2:41 PM]
lysander ok :eyes:

[2:41 PM]
sunettedimensions Okay, so for all the readers and the public to take with you today


[2:41 PM]
tormod Like scafold

[2:42 PM]
sunettedimensions We tend to project and expect change unto others

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but do not realise it is coming from out own personal mindset


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and we are standing equal to and one with them in fact


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So, we are starting to prepare ourselves to ensure

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we do not project and expect unto others processes


[2:43 PM]
we do use the statement "they don't want to help themselves" when we walk away

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but we LEARN how our own processes work, how theirs work and suggest paths accordingly and support / new directions accordingly


[2:43 PM]
To START


[2:44 PM]
select a strength / weakness of SELF you'd like to work on and change in BALANCE from now until Saturday


[2:44 PM]
every day focusing on strengthening the strength and strengthening the weakness


[2:44 PM]
we continue again Saturday


[2:44 PM]
dan Thanks

[2:45 PM]
lysander Thanks

[2:45 PM]
garbrielle lol Mike will all the emoji


[2:45 PM]
with*

[2:45 PM]
marjo Thanks

[2:45 PM]
mikemcd Ohh shit


[2:45 PM]
garbrielle thanks Sunette will do

[2:45 PM]
mikemcd You could tell it was me


[2:45 PM]
tormod Thanks cool !!

[2:45 PM]
mikemcd Lol

[2:45 PM]
adam lol

[2:45 PM]
mikemcd Was taking a lot of notes

[2:45 PM]
One line at a time

[2:46 PM]
tormod Scaffolds*

[2:46 PM]
garbrielle cool, looks like it was fun


[2:46 PM]
tormod And balance

[2:46 PM]
marjo lol

[2:47 PM]
mikemcd Yes indeed

[2:47 PM]
yoganb Thanks Sunette / Dimensions

[2:47 PM]
mikemcd Substantiating my integrations

[2:47 PM]
Take care all

[2:47 PM]
BEST

[2:47 PM]
tormod Excuse my typo / Thanks all !!

[2:47 PM]
sunettedimensions Thanks all

[2:48 PM]
marjo thanks all

[2:48 PM]
valentin.rozman Thanks @sunettedimensions and the rest

[2:48 PM]
sunettedimensions let's see what opens up


[2:48 PM]
viktorpersson Thanks – bye everyone!

[2:48 PM]
adam thanks everyone

[2:48 PM]
sunettedimensions Speak Saturday!

[2:48 PM]
adam bye

[2:48 PM]
sunettedimensions Byyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[2:48 PM]
kurtschnidrig thanks all looking forward coming days :+1:

[2:48 PM]
ida thanks :cat:

[2:48 PM]
marjo bye

[2:48 PM]
lysander Adios!

[2:48 PM]
carlton Thanks sunettdimnsions all bye



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Re: The MULTI-DIMENSIONS of Support - 28 June 2017

Postby mikelammers » 29 Jun 2017, 12:18

Very cool and supportive. Thanks you all for sharing this!




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