Redefining and living the words frank, direct, clear and honest with self - 10 January 2018

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Redefining and living the words frank, direct, clear and honest with self - 10 January 2018

Postby Marlen » 10 Jan 2018, 21:52

12:46 PM]
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: Redefining and living the words frank, direct, clear and honest with self when you see you're being a bit too wishy washy with acceptances and allowances - how'd it go this week? We start 5 after the hour


[1:01 PM]
valentin.rozman Hi all :slightly_smiling_face:

[1:02 PM]
tormod Hey !

[1:03 PM]
anna Hey T!

[1:03 PM]
How is it like to be on the farm?

[1:04 PM]
carlton Hello


[1:04 PM]
tormod It is alot


[1:05 PM]
Alot of me, alot of annimals, destonians .... good food - everything


[1:05 PM]
Very content with being here atm


[1:06 PM]
anna Nice!


[1:06 PM]
kims Cool Tormod :sunglasses:

[1:06 PM]
marjo Nice Tormod


[1:06 PM]
kims I have been enjoying the living words process


[1:06 PM]
anna how is your dad?

[1:07 PM]
tormod Equally kims

[1:07 PM]
valentin.rozman Great that you are enjoying it @tormod :slightly_smiling_face:


[1:07 PM]
carlton Cool Tormod


[1:07 PM]
tormod He is doing good

[1:07 PM]
kims I push myself to publish a word a week atm


[1:07 PM]
tormod He enjoyed being on recording today :hugging_face:


[1:07 PM]
anna Oh cool!

[1:09 PM]
tormod We are currently both on phone in our room/ bed

[1:09 PM]
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: Redefining and living the words frank, direct, clear and honest with self when you see you're being a bit too wishy washy with acceptances and allowances - how'd it go this week? WE START


[1:10 PM]
valentin.rozman Just a quick note that I have decided to stop actively working for the Earth Nation. My plan is now to find a good paying regular job in middle management and I might also do some life coaching and cryptocurrency counselling.

[1:10 PM]
anna Thanks for sharing Valentin.

[1:10 PM]
sunettedimensions Good evening all!

[1:11 PM]
tormod Good evening

[1:11 PM]
valentin.rozman Greetings @sunettedimensions

[1:11 PM]
kims Hi

[1:11 PM]
marjo Hi

[1:11 PM]
fred Hi all!

[1:12 PM]
sunettedimensions Who has sharings of moments, reflections of past experiences - changing a moment of accepting / allowing a 'half-half' application and instead being more direct, upfront, clear, frank and direct with self?

[1:12 PM]
What would it mean to be more direct, frank, straightforward with oneself?

[1:14 PM]
marlen How I've lived it is owning my creation so to speak, directly going into getting to see how I have been the one that requires to open up, understand or clarify something to myself rather than looking at others or external situations as the source, so that's quite a cool and empowering process, to 'own it' and see it as is, without sugar coating it. Though also considering to 'whom' I'm sharing such frankness so as to be also understanding of the outflows or consequences of it, similar to what Leila shared last chat, for some it is not as common to get the whole thing straight, some others will be ok with it. But ultimately, it is a gift to be clear to oneself about it, a point of freedom or liberation to see things as they are, also assists in pushing to live such clarity in one's day to day creation, like leaving no 'half-and halfs' behind

[1:15 PM]
viktorpersson For me it has to do with not sugar coating points – see it as it is

[1:15 PM]
sunettedimensions For me, what helped was when I asked myself "if another were in this situation and they shared it with me - how would I respond?" This supported with me stepping out of the experience / out of myself and the situation for a moment to look at things more objectively. Interestingly enough - I found many moments where I THOUGHT I couldn't do something and instead showed myself I was capable. I had to use a very "PULL YOUR SOCKS UP AND F*KING DO IT GIRL" approach lol - which is like a intense directness that gives me intense direction and surprised myself every time


[1:16 PM]
fred I were not consistent and determined enough on relationship with porn/masturbation, I found I hv to keep try different ways, if it doesn't work, I disappointed at myself for awhile, then I push/encourage myself to walk again, until lately with 8hrs Dieting/Eating application, I found I am finally more stable, more clarity on myself, my acts and for the 1st time, not being directed by my addiction/desires, more into with the physical body and able to relatively more steer/direct myself

[1:16 PM]
tormod During drumm session with Adrian i told myself to be disciplined with the fact of learning from Adrian - and to follow his advice and experience rather than just give a half assed try - i told myself kmon Tormod You can do this : listen to the experience and give a effort i was clear, disciplined direct and focused within myself inn that moment of practice / play

[1:17 PM]
marlen yeah it does take that 'take the bull by the horns' attitude indeed @sunettedimensions it might seem a bit 'daunting' at first, but I've fond that's where one develops real strength as well, a genuine 'this is me, this is the situation, and now on to work with it'

[1:18 PM]
sunettedimensions Very well shared @marlen - yes, I have found some people cannot handle the same directness I am with me, so also in my support with others to be direct with him - I have to assess the gentleness-intensity level of directness

[1:18 PM]
kims I have literally been thrown in the deep end these last two weeks in week because I am doing the work of three - I had to just be clear with myself and tell myself ‘ come on girl you can do it - you have the skill and the tools, and it’s been an amazing couple of weeks and I have been super busy but really enjoying the challenge

[1:19 PM]
sunettedimensions Cool @fred - key is: don't give up, even if you fail - push to learn from the failures and do and do and do, get back up and do again until you got it.

[1:19 PM]
viktorpersson I have tested that approach as well @sunettedimensions and it works well – when I see it from the outside there is no self-interest to protect – and that supports me to be clear

[1:19 PM]
valentin.rozman @sunettedimensions this could easily apply to the position that I just left. When I joined that organisation there were several strong indicators and res flags that created dissatisfaction. However this was all justified with the argument that the project is in early stage of development. In the next months I noticed that the leadership is repeating the patterns of black hat approach and dictatorship. Understanding now how long it takes for mind patterns to change I finally decided to stop participation and not allowing anymore to compromise myself. This experience taught me how it is best to be more honest and direct with myself in order not to waste wishing and hoping that in time it will all change somehow.

[1:19 PM]
fred Yes! @sunettedimensions! That's exactly what I wanted to say, you speak them all out for me!!


[1:20 PM]
kims I had a bit of a moment yesterday- but I took a breath went for a little break outside and came back and carried on and got it all done


[1:20 PM]
sunettedimensions Awesome crossreference @tormod! Yes, I also found when I actually pushed myself that little bit more every time - I ended up thoroughly enjoying myself

[1:20 PM]
anna Something I realized yesterday was that I have created a point of "giving it my best" within me, since I had written my master's thesis in 2013, and even though I got top grades, I was so dissatisfied with my own efforts. I had decided when writing the thesis to really push myself to develop discipline. I didn't. Then when I was offered the teaching position, in one moment I made that decision to give it my all, and become the best teacher I could be - and it opened up an entirely new potential within me on a very real level. Yesterday I realized that I now have this reference within me, which I didn't have before.



[1:20 PM]
sunettedimensions Awesome @viktorpersson!

[1:20 PM]
tormod Yea the drumming was then - more funn - and i learned more :hugging_face:


[1:21 PM]
marjo I had a chat with my grand daughter about life, school, friends and she did not want to talk about it, so I pushed her gently to tel me some things and we had a nice conversation and some points opened up which were interesting to share. Other times I stopped to talk about the subject.

[1:21 PM]
sunettedimensions Agreed @marlen on the daunting point - I have found the same

[1:21 PM]
anna Nice @marjo

[1:21 PM]
marlen Also another dimension of why we tend to 'sugar coat' things is because we fear anothers' reactions or 'fearing conflict' but I've come to see very clearly how it is through confronting, through 'walking through conflict' or disagreements that one can get to know and understand aspects of ourselves that we would have otherwise kept 'hidden' because of fears - and through being direct, frank and straight to the point even in the way we decide to communicate, share or do things it becomes a supportive aspect as well to walk through fears of 'stirring things up' because it assists more to get to see things as they are, with clarity, and yes understanding how it might feel a bit 'too much' for others - considering that - but it also depends on the relationship you have with such person you are being direct, frank towards, so will vary but if it's someone close to you, best to rather let the person know 'this is who I am and how I deal with things' and if possible assist another to walk through facing this frankness in communication



[1:21 PM]
anna I've also been pushing myself to do self-forgiveness more during the day when "small" reactions comes up.

[1:22 PM]
sunettedimensions Nice @kims - lol I have sometimes found that I stress about not being able to do something, but when I drop the emotions and thinking about it, I realise: I AM ALREADY DOING IT!!! lol and I'm like "omg, I didn't see me and what I am already getting done and accomplishing"

[1:22 PM]
Cool @valentin.rozman cool example of wishing and hoping


[1:22 PM]
kims You’re a superstar & doing the best job ever. Thank you for all your help & support. I couldn’t have done it without you! Xxx one of my colleagues literally just sent this lol

[1:22 PM]
valentin.rozman Cool @anna to direct yourself towards being the best teacher

[1:23 PM]
anna lol @valentin.rozman - it took me all the way to deconstructing the notion of school and education entirely!


[1:23 PM]
sunettedimensions Awww that is so so so great @marjo!!!

[1:24 PM]
kims Yes I saw that too @sunettedimensions - I realised that I was doing it exactly lol

[1:24 PM]
marlen cool feedback @kims

[1:24 PM]
sunettedimensions Oh yes @marlen that is indeed an important dimension! a tricky one at that, I find I walk that dimesion in all my new relationships, in a way have to learn to assess that fine line, but at the same time with walking through the challenge, it does strengthen the relationship

[1:26 PM]
marlen cool assessment @valentin.rozman and decision

[1:26 PM]
valentin.rozman Yes @marlen that was also my case since I held myself back despite of noticing things that disturbed me. I did not express myself directly and completely because I did not want to create conflict and also because I wanted to wait how things would develop without me saying anything about it.

[1:26 PM]
marlen yeah it's a point of no compromise for sure

[1:26 PM]
talamon I started to open up when and why I am avoiding conflicts, which result sometimes becoming submissive unconsciously - and today I was walking in the mall just hands in my pocket and as I approached people, talked and asked about what I was looking for and it was fun - while focused on shoulders and spine back, be direct and calm and it's going well, so continuing integrating in action while writing and opening up points to substantiate


[1:27 PM]
Klavdija Hiti Last days I after work only sit, watch TV and eat and get weight and feel bad. So today I say stop, this is not good for me, I feel worst from day to day, so there is problem only in my mind. And now I start with my little change. And again starting working on myself.



[1:27 PM]
sunettedimensions Ah @anna yes - the small reactions I mentioned in the Patreon video too recently, how to read the small reactions and why they are important to pinpoint from a physical perspective. Glad to hear @anna

[1:27 PM]
marjo cool Klavdija


[1:28 PM]
sunettedimensions lol nice crossreference @kims

[1:28 PM]
Interesting challenge in the mall @talamon - very cool observing the mind-boidy relationship indeed

[1:29 PM]
marlen yeah @valentin.rozman though also cool because I see how sometimes it is required to let things play out, give time to it and then make a decision, so as to not quickly jump into assumptions etc. like in your case you tested the point out for some time until you were finally satisfied to see this wasn't 'the point' right?

[1:29 PM]
marjo I was also looking at small reactions, the first thought were O I already did a lot of self forgiveness on this point, but now I see that new things are coming up and I need to direct them.

[1:29 PM]
sunettedimensions Glad to hear @Klavdija Hiti - yes consequence of sitting and spending a lot of time in mind cause problem for the body. Have to help you and the body - start little by little :slightly_smiling_face: good you are taking the first steps

[1:30 PM]
viktorpersson Yes cool application @talamon

[1:31 PM]
talamon @sunettedimensions Some of the Quantum physical series episodes, the ones focusing to my mugface - (*suppression) have opened up a lot of points in regarding to this, thus it's a great support, thank you

[1:32 PM]
valentin.rozman I am learning more and more to immediately take action when I see something that I would like to be changed. Much in that sense I have already achieved in terms of immediately washing, wiping and tidying dishes, keeping the kitchen in best condition at all time, removing clutter on my computer and having my inbox empty at the end of the day. In my next professional environment I will push myself to direct myself even more promptly in regards to business matters, never procrastinating even for a bit.


[1:32 PM]
marlen yeah @talamon been translating those, definitely talk about the shoulders back, straightening spine chin up point, so cool to read that feedback here

[1:32 PM]
anna Yes me too @valentin.rozman - it has been a very supportive point to work with.


[1:32 PM]
sunettedimensions Thanks for the feedback @talamon - grateful they are supporting!

[1:33 PM]
Klavdija Hiti Thanks @sunettedimensions but in other way I went to the bed at 8 p.m. and sleep till 4.30 a.m. and go to the work. So this my sitting is because I'm tired, but this is my excuse too. If I want made change I will if I want,

[1:33 PM]
valentin.rozman Great @Klavdija Hiti that you decided to create a better life habits

[1:33 PM]
talamon yes, @marlen it's taking time but definitely a progress - great on translating it as I am sure many will relate

[1:34 PM]
kims This work situation was important for me to walk these last days because I would doubt myself so much in the past and go into so much stress of be able to do it all in good time and accurately. So I have a real time example almost like I had set it up for myself lol

[1:34 PM]
viktorpersson @Klavdija Hiti you could try doing some low impact exercise that does not put a lot of strain on the body – such as taking a walk or going for a short swim


[1:34 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @Klavdija Hiti - I have found with starting training, exercising every day, I have more energy during the day - body feels stronger and can endure more during the day. So look into incorporating simple exercising in your day


[1:35 PM]
fred Forgive me a little bit out of topic and pls. ignore my question if it's irrelevant at this moment @sunettedimensions, what's the dimensions/body/your perspective of why 8 hrs Dieting Intermittent fasting "apparently" brings so much benefits and serious(20-60 lbs) weight loss?? Thank you...just a brief reply if you could.

[1:35 PM]
sunettedimensions @fred we can discuss this question in next Wednesday chat

[1:36 PM]
fred Cool!!! Thank you @sunettedimensions!!!!! I will hv my findings/sharing ready by then! Going through Day 3 at this moment

[1:37 PM]
Klavdija Hiti Viktor, I walk on yob so much, so this week after 14 days of wacation I don't have energy, but start soon, because I feel better each day. And yes, if you walk after yob you have more energy.

[1:37 PM]
valentin.rozman @sunettedimensions yes very nice support about coughing. It reminded me about explanation of mr. Keshe who also explained that such reaction is related to the mind. However your explanations are much more clear, exact, grounded and easier to understand and apply. I am so grateful to learn from learn from such awesome audios,


[1:37 PM]
anna Hear hear @valentin.rozman

[1:37 PM]
marjo Agree @valentin.rozman

[1:37 PM]
kims Agree

[1:38 PM]
sunettedimensions Thank you for the feedback @valentin.rozman yes, @adam recently applied the techniques and had results with it, so also a very cool crossreference with how his coughing changed in a particular experience


[1:38 PM]
tormod :hugging_face:

[1:39 PM]
carlton cool

[1:40 PM]
sunettedimensions Alrighty all, I'd say we have a good just for being more direct with ourselves

[1:40 PM]
valentin.rozman Nice to hear that @adam

[1:40 PM]
sunettedimensions we can aim to within times to come, assess the balance of when we're too wishy washy with ourselves and ourselves and when to really pull up our / others socks and becomes go-getters!!!


[1:41 PM]
anna Do you mean a good jist @sunettedimensions?

[1:41 PM]
marlen isn't it gist

[1:41 PM]
anna gist yes! lol

[1:41 PM]
sunettedimensions lol yes gist

[1:42 PM]
fred My sharing/experience is: Don't use I am doomed, it's hopeless, it's impossible "as an excuse" to give up...keep trying, switching approaches

[1:42 PM]
anna But I totally agree.

[1:42 PM]
marlen yeah that's the self victimization point fred so cool to flag point it and know ok what do I have to take responsibility for there

[1:42 PM]
sunettedimensions Good one @fred

[1:42 PM]
kims Yes @sunettedimensions agreeedd

[1:43 PM]
Nice @fred I just walked the word possible which assisted me a lot


[1:43 PM]
sunettedimensions Alrighty all, we go to here for tonight

[1:44 PM]
anna I've been watching this bake-off show. And what I've noticed is that the ones that have the most success, are the ones who are calm, who don't get too emotional and that when things go wrong for them, they go: "Alright, how can I solve this in a creative way?" The ones that fuck things up, are the ones who take it way too serious and become too emotional and go: "ohh nooooo, it's all fucked". lol


[1:44 PM]
sunettedimensions I'd see we covered these points well

[1:44 PM]
anna It was a nice reference for me.

[1:44 PM]
sunettedimensions Ahhh yes @anna I've seen that too - Hell's kitchen

[1:44 PM]
kims Yes Anna I have noticed that too on bake off lol

[1:45 PM]
Is that the one with Paul Hollywood?

[1:45 PM]
anna I find I really enjoy these creative reality programs - and it is cool to be inspired in terms of how to approach things!

[1:45 PM]
valentin.rozman @anna same conclusions also in this movie that I recommend to watch > https://youtu.be/JGP-Cvl_0Tk
YouTube Movieclips Film Festivals & Indie Films
Barista Official Trailer 1 (2015) - Coffee Documentary HD


[1:45 PM]
sunettedimensions lol with Gordon Ramsey @anna - man, he can place people in fight or flight modes well, interesting to observe the reactions

[1:46 PM]
anna I also watched something where they had to survive in the woods. And there, man it made such a difference what they're relatiwonship with themselves/life was. It wasn't even about who had the best skills - but about who they were inside/how they looked at things.

[1:46 PM]
kims Yes @sunettedimensions lol

[1:46 PM]
marlen lol yeah would also consider how relevant it would be for people to not take things personal etc and how different it would be if people were aware of their mind etc to sort things out

[1:46 PM]
anna lol @sunettedimensions he's definitely not wishy washy

[1:46 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @marlen

[1:46 PM]
lol @anna no - NOT AT ALL

[1:47 PM]
kims Like strictly come dancing

[1:47 PM]
Do you guys get that too ?

[1:47 PM]
anna ok for next week: be more like Gordon Ramsey (but not too much and piss people off unnecessarily).

[1:47 PM]
Yes @kims

[1:47 PM]
carlton lol

[1:47 PM]
viktorpersson Hehe, Gordon Ramsey – I can use his picture inside of myself when I notice that I get too flimsy

[1:47 PM]
Klavdija Hiti A few years ago I send application to go into cooking reality show here in Slovenia, but they don't decide for me, so I don't try anymore with that.

[1:48 PM]
viktorpersson What would Gordon say now?

[1:48 PM]
tormod Good night

[1:48 PM]
valentin.rozman Yes @sunettedimensions and despite Gordon acting like very emotional, he developed such decisiveness through many disastrous business decisions where he learned to listen to himself and perfect his craft.

[1:48 PM]
kims Lol Viktor

[1:48 PM]
anna I've found it inspiring for myself to push my cooking more @Klavdija Hiti

[1:48 PM]
marlen it is necessary at times, but at times we cannot assess how someone will react, so to take any such position is to be willing to walk with the person all the way in any reactions that might come up if being toooo direct/straightforward the way we are with ourselves at times so, yep.

[1:48 PM]
kims I used to use Bernard for that

[1:48 PM]
sunettedimensions lol @viktorpersson haha I don't know if that'd make me stand up or start laughing....or maybe both lol

[1:48 PM]
kims What would B do now !

[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions Yes @valentin.rozman

[1:49 PM]
viktorpersson lol

[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions All gtg for the evening

[1:49 PM]
anna bye

[1:49 PM]
kims Byeee

[1:49 PM]
Thanks all

[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions Thank you SO much for the wonderful chat


[1:49 PM]
carlton Thanks all bye

[1:49 PM]
valentin.rozman Thanks all and bye :slightly_smiling_face:

[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions Appreciate it!!!

[1:49 PM]
Klavdija Hiti Gordon is so peaceful person if he is with his family, but in reality shows play all their emotions.



[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions Speak again soon!


[1:49 PM]
viktorpersson Yes, bye!!

[1:49 PM]
sunettedimensions Yip he can play ppls'emotions well @Klavdija Hiti



[1:49 PM]
marlen bye guys, thanks for sharing



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