Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

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Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby viktor » 26 Jul 2011, 23:35

Many that come to hear about ‘The Equal Money System’ are very fast to claim it’s communism, that it’s been tried and that it’s as such won’t ever work. Usually those who make this statement are American or British citizens, due to these countries propaganda-machines, that extensively have propagated Communism as something evil and horribly bad, in an on-going onslaught ever since the end of WWII, as the Iron Wall came into being and the cold war began.

Obviously this massive and almost 50 year propaganda war against communism has been completely and utterly based upon fear – as the fear that the ‘evil communists’ would turn every American or British person a communist as well, and as such end the glorious era of capitalism; as such there has been much nonsense spoken about Communism, much hypocrisy, only to invoke the necessary fear and anxiety to have people avoid the political idea of Communism.

Why?

Probably because there has been certain capitalists in America and Britain that have stood on the verge of loosing all their assets if the state would suddenly take full control of all it’s citizens capital – and claim itself to be the sole owner of all the property and capital in the country; because this is the point of Communism – it’s a political idea wherein all the assets of a country, no matter private or public, is owned by the state and then supposedly shared equal to all people in society.

This complete state ownership is to be created through a revolution, wherein the workers take to arms and with violence overthrow the capitalists, as the employers of a society. The reason that it’s the workers versus the employers is due to the communistic belief that all suffering, comes from the capitalists, aka employers, as they are using the labor of the people to make money for themselves, as such not giving the fruit of the labor back to the people – and within this causing poverty and have not’s as economic outcasts in society.

In essence the idea of communism is to, through the removal of all capitalists, manifest a classless society wherein each and everyone ‘work according to their ability and receive according to their need’ – so we’re dealing with some cool principles and realizations here. A society wherein each one is given what he need’s to survive is obviously better than the one we currently have, as a society where no one is given anything at all – instead your born in debt as a slave.

Thus – the principle of communism is sound, meaning: the problem we face in society, as needless suffering and slavery, is due to division by class, as the variations/inequalities of ownership of money between people. The obvious solution to this problem must as such be to end this division by class, through sharing all property equal between everyone; yes this sounds good to me – but still it didn’t work – why?

What communism missed, and why it didn’t work have to do with the way it was to be implemented; as I’ve already explained – through a violent revolution. Why such an approach doesn’t work is because of the nature of the problem – it’s not in-fact the capitalists, as the societies employers, that’s the origin of the issue, as a society where people are divided by their apparent class, as the amount of money they own.

No – the problem is the human nature, as what we’ve accepted and allowed ourselves to become, as how we live in thought/word and deed; this is not a small problem and it won’t be solved with a quick fix – such as a revolution. To solve this problem we’ll actually have to change ourselves as who we are, and how we live on an individual and day-to-day basis, as it’s our individual actions accumulated in time that forms and manifests society as we experience it today.

Thus – when the capitalists were in-fact over-thrown in Cuba, Russia and China and the revolution came to be ‘successful’ – this didn’t change the nature of the human beings; they were still the same, as fearful, greedy, distrusting, manipulative = the normal human-nature stuff.

And obviously this had the consequence that a society with people divided by class, as how much money they own, was simply re-created – as we can only create that which we exist as, and if we live as separate, as a personality, as less than what is best for all = this is also what we’ll create.

So, here comes the difference in regards to Equal Money – we the DESTONIANS – as the people that are standing up to change their nature of self-interest – as ‘I only care about me’ – to something of worth, virtue and value – have decided to in-fact change ourselves and align ourselves to the principle of ‘Do unto another as you would like to be done unto You’.

As such we change the very building block of society, as each human beings individual day-to-day thoughts/words and deeds – as those of our own! We in-fact change how we live and apply ourselves to start considering everyone, all life, and not only our pleasures and discomforts – we in-fact live communism – as no one is less or more than another – but all are equal.

And within this we’ve realized that the only way to implement a lasting change in society, as a society where all are equally free, is through re-education – we must first change the nature of ourselves, before we’re able to change the nature of society, as we’re the building blocks of society, as each breath accumulates and builds that which will become our world and reality at the bigger scale.

This is why we’ve started Desteni I Process, this is why we share the tools of self-honesty and self-forgiveness, this is why we promote and push self-change; because this is the only way to a class-less society and a better world for all – and that’s the difference between communism and Equal Money = communism was only ever an idea not actually lived – Equal Money is a principle that must be lived, applied and considered in every breath – else there won’t exist a world that is best for all; it’s obvious common sense – we’ve always tried to change our reality through changing our external world, we’ve realized that the problem doesn’t lie in our external world, but in our internal world, as who we accept and allow ourselves to be and live as.



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Cathy » 27 Jul 2011, 07:39

And within this we’ve realized that the only way to implement a lasting change in society, as a society where all are equally free, is through re-education – we must first change the nature of ourselves, before we’re able to change the nature of society, as we’re the building blocks of society, as each breath accumulates and builds that which will become our world and reality at the bigger scale.

This is why we’ve started Desteni I Process, this is why we share the tools of self-honesty and self-forgiveness, this is why we promote and push self-change; because this is the only way to a class-less society and a better world for all – and that’s the difference between communism and Equal Money = communism was only ever an idea not actually lived – Equal Money is a principle that must be lived, applied and considered in every breath – else there won’t exist a world that is best for all; it’s obvious common sense – we’ve always tried to change our reality through changing our external world, we’ve realized that the problem doesn’t lie in our external world, but in our internal world, as who we accept and allow ourselves to be and live as.
'Communist propaganda', as with all propaganda has been used as a means of educating us, where we then live the definitions we're given instead of investigating who we are in our understanding according to the definitions represented as such. Self-responsibility begins with the re-education of self, and an Equal Money System will provide the simple solution to stopping our fear of survival so we can get busy assisting ourselves equally as all as one. Desteni I Process is the perfect placement for self, because it offers a re-education of self beginning from the inside to stop how we've manifested ourselves on the outside.
This was cool assistance Viktor - Thanks



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Oila » 04 Aug 2011, 04:59

Many that come to hear about ‘The Equal Money System’ are very fast to claim it’s communism, that it’s been tried and that it’s as such won’t ever work. Usually those who make this statement are American or British citizens, due to these countries propaganda-machines, that extensively have propagated Communism as something evil and horribly bad, in an on-going onslaught ever since the end of WWII, as the Iron Wall came into being and the cold war began.

Obviously this massive and almost 50 year propaganda war against communism has been completely and utterly based upon fear – as the fear that the ‘evil communists’ would turn every American or British person a communist as well, and as such end the glorious era of capitalism; as such there has been much nonsense spoken about Communism, much hypocrisy, only to invoke the necessary fear and anxiety to have people avoid the political idea of Communism.

Why?

Probably because there has been certain capitalists in America and Britain that have stood on the verge of loosing all their assets if the state would suddenly take full control of all it’s citizens capital – and claim itself to be the sole owner of all the property and capital in the country; because this is the point of Communism – it’s a political idea wherein all the assets of a country, no matter private or public, is owned by the state and then supposedly shared equal to all people in society.

This complete state ownership is to be created through a revolution, wherein the workers take to arms and with violence overthrow the capitalists, as the employers of a society. The reason that it’s the workers versus the employers is due to the communistic belief that all suffering, comes from the capitalists, aka employers, as they are using the labor of the people to make money for themselves, as such not giving the fruit of the labor back to the people – and within this causing poverty and have not’s as economic outcasts in society.

In essence the idea of communism is to, through the removal of all capitalists, manifest a classless society wherein each and everyone ‘work according to their ability and receive according to their need’ – so we’re dealing with some cool principles and realizations here. A society wherein each one is given what he need’s to survive is obviously better than the one we currently have, as a society where no one is given anything at all – instead your born in debt as a slave.

Thus – the principle of communism is sound, meaning: the problem we face in society, as needless suffering and slavery, is due to division by class, as the variations/inequalities of ownership of money between people. The obvious solution to this problem must as such be to end this division by class, through sharing all property equal between everyone; yes this sounds good to me – but still it didn’t work – why?

What communism missed, and why it didn’t work have to do with the way it was to be implemented; as I’ve already explained – through a violent revolution. Why such an approach doesn’t work is because of the nature of the problem – it’s not in-fact the capitalists, as the societies employers, that’s the origin of the issue, as a society where people are divided by their apparent class, as the amount of money they own.

No – the problem is the human nature, as what we’ve accepted and allowed ourselves to become, as how we live in thought/word and deed; this is not a small problem and it won’t be solved with a quick fix – such as a revolution. To solve this problem we’ll actually have to change ourselves as who we are, and how we live on an individual and day-to-day basis, as it’s our individual actions accumulated in time that forms and manifests society as we experience it today.

Thus – when the capitalists were in-fact over-thrown in Cuba, Russia and China and the revolution came to be ‘successful’ – this didn’t change the nature of the human beings; they were still the same, as fearful, greedy, distrusting, manipulative = the normal human-nature stuff.

And obviously this had the consequence that a society with people divided by class, as how much money they own, was simply re-created – as we can only create that which we exist as, and if we live as separate, as a personality, as less than what is best for all = this is also what we’ll create.

So, here comes the difference in regards to Equal Money – we the DESTONIANS – as the people that are standing up to change their nature of self-interest – as ‘I only care about me’ – to something of worth, virtue and value – have decided to in-fact change ourselves and align ourselves to the principle of ‘Do unto another as you would like to be done unto You’.

As such we change the very building block of society, as each human beings individual day-to-day thoughts/words and deeds – as those of our own! We in-fact change how we live and apply ourselves to start considering everyone, all life, and not only our pleasures and discomforts – we in-fact live communism – as no one is less or more than another – but all are equal.

And within this we’ve realized that the only way to implement a lasting change in society, as a society where all are equally free, is through re-education – we must first change the nature of ourselves, before we’re able to change the nature of society, as we’re the building blocks of society, as each breath accumulates and builds that which will become our world and reality at the bigger scale.

This is why we’ve started Desteni I Process, this is why we share the tools of self-honesty and self-forgiveness, this is why we promote and push self-change; because this is the only way to a class-less society and a better world for all – and that’s the difference between communism and Equal Money = communism was only ever an idea not actually lived – Equal Money is a principle that must be lived, applied and considered in every breath – else there won’t exist a world that is best for all; it’s obvious common sense – we’ve always tried to change our reality through changing our external world, we’ve realized that the problem doesn’t lie in our external world, but in our internal world, as who we accept and allow ourselves to be and live as.



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Bella » 04 Aug 2011, 18:00

our equality as human beings on earth is a given from the perspective that we are all subject to the circumstances we are born into, requiring the same physical support to survive in this world. we breathe the same air and return to the same dust; we share the same basic needs that determine our life or death on this earth.
the sun shines on all equally.
the systems we've created however do not serve everyone equally.
and all systems boil down to the money-system - money, the god of this world, the god that decides who lives and who dies.
the values we’ve created in this world are based in make-belief. money is a make-belief value that exists through agreement/acceptance.

communism was not different.
It was a system based in a hierarchy with the state as god - having an army of brave new slaves serving a giant, an idea, a projection, a dogma - quite a sentimental one too. in communism you had 'friends' and 'enemies', just like in capitalism.

in equality you see no 'friends' or 'enemies'. from the perspective of equality one either support life or abuse and harm and deceive life.

in communism there was no trust, and self-trust was not supported or developed.
one would learn to trust the party, the system, the state. there existed betrayal, just like in capitalism.

in equality there exists only self-betrayal – betrayal of life.
it is not about trusting ‘others’, it is not about trusting Desteni – it is about learning to trust ourselves and learning to exist in a way that we may trust each-other.
and while it is not about the individual – yet it is the individual, you and me and the relationships we build that make up this world; and the value we carry as ‘who we are’ gives this world its value, equal and one.
currently the value of ourselves as this world is equal to separation, exploitation, deception, abuse.
it is an atrocious existence based on insanity – something we call ‘human nature’ and accept as a ‘given’.

this is pathetic.

it is time to stop our fake values – time to throw away our false gods in the name of which we fight and kill.
the value of life is life. LIFE is the highest value and it is LIFE that should be honoured as ‘god’, as common good, as that which we all share, instead of focusing on our differences of Mind.

we gotta put aside our beliefs and ideas about ‘power’ and ‘value’, we gotta stop our fear, and realize that any system that's been used in the history of mankind, man has created.
we are the building-blocks of this world.
and equality begins within self and how we live every moment.
at desteni we stand-up to say out loud that we can no-longer accept or allow or tolerate a system that feeds off of life and allows starvation while there is enough food for all and while we have the technology to distribute resources equally.

an equal money system will not be hierarchy, will not be ‘god’. rather, it will be a system through which we can apply and ensure our agreement as humanity that Life is the highest value; a system through which we can ensure the quality of equality for ALL; a system through which finally Man can be Kind.
the logistics is easy. it is the ill will of man that must change. and it must change through self-will, otherwise we are still slaves.
the simple application of One man One vote will bring equal money to the forefront, as the current economies and deadly/debtly promises collapse, and the majority that is the suffering people of the world will see the necessity for a new system of actual life-support for ALL.

no gods, no masters, no slaves
that is the equal money system; that is the desteni of mankind, if man is to be/become kind, if man is to ‘save’ itself on this Planet. there is no Plan B.



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby viktor » 04 Aug 2011, 22:42

Cool Bella



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Bella » 04 Aug 2011, 23:55

Even though some ‘good’ may have been achieved at times within communism or within socialism, the starting-point of both these mechanisms – communism and socialism – has been the System itself; and all such systems are aimed at controlling the money-flow through a polarization of Haves and Have-Nots.
Communism was still bound to the limitation and control of a World-System that is based in fear and survival. The system of communism, too, was placed and applied to serve a country, a nation, a race – but never Life itself and all people equally.

Equality is the realization that Life is the value – as life-essence in all things, as the substance of all things.
Equality implies that the value of life IS life – and therefore all life should be treated equally.
Equality further implies that a system, any system, must serve life.

What we have today is unacceptable – what we have today is a condition where life serves the system, and money determines who lives & who dies in this world. This cannot continue.
How can we allow this?!


Let’s have a closer look at our Equality as beings on Earth:
Our Equality on this planet is given by the fact that each one of us is subject to and product of: the circumstances of the living-conditions we are born into. Rich or Poor, life-supportive or life-abusive – the structural reality that one is born-into determines a life; and a human-life on earth is formed and determined during the first 7 years of a being’s life.
Our Equality is further given by the Sun we share and the Air we breathe. Water has become an issue in itself and one of the biggest problems we’re facing today. These Earth things know no borders, however hard mankind has tried to divide and conquer and rule ‘over’ things. Man has attempted to become stronger than nature, somehow ‘more than’ life.

This already shows that the principle of Life as the principle of Equality has gone ‘missing’ or was missing from the start during Man’s evolution as a mind consciousness system machine. We have become Minds in separation. Life is now walking a process of Actualization – will we accomplish real Oneness? And how can Oneness be, without equality?


So – Equality is not an ‘idea’ or an ‘ideal’ – yet it will remain just that and will, just like ‘human rights’ today, remain un-lived and un-realized if we don’t Live it into Creation; It will remain the unfulfilled Ideal of Mankind, if we don’t stand-up to actually, factually ‘honor’ that which matters, honor ourselves as Life through Living ourselves as Life, as equality, into actual manifestation, into Beingness, into Existence.
An ideal World would be one where each Being is able to live and express their full potential without fear of survival, without fear of each-other.

We have reached an ‘age’ as humanity where this is possible. The technology that is available today can be used to assist and support the process of distribution and equalization of resources. It is possible right here right now.

And because it is possible, we couldn’t live with ourselves if we didn’t stand-up and do whatever it takes to make it happen – for all as one as equal – for All to have a Dignified Life Here, in this One Reality we share.




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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Marlen » 05 Aug 2011, 01:15

I agree with the postures here - Communism has been founded upon the opposition of the bourgueoisie and proletarian classes, in essence never considering that both could be Equal but it became a war against those with the capital which then simply created and maintained the polarity through limitation -

There was no actual change to the monetary system either, therefore we can see that it was meant to fail due to the basic point not being considered which is changing the entire structure to support all beings equally.

Equal Money is usually compared to communism due t the concept of Equality been used for the sake of aparently creting a solution, yet never actually proposing a way in which each individual within such system could actually regard themselves as equal - not only in terms of 'rights' or 'individual guarantees' which have been never existent, but as the actuality of who we really are as LIFE.

The moment life is not considered in Equality we can be certain that no matter what, there will be people regarding themselves as 'more than' and within this creating any form to stand on top of others.

Furthermore, communism was never conceived as a global solution, it was only pertinent to certain nations that wanted to stand in opposition to those that defined themselves as capitalism - hence just another polarity equation.

We're not here to balance out the equation, but to Equalize Life which is what has never existed.

Realizing who we all are as Life as the entirety of what exists here will be the realization of the Equal Money System as a new structure to live upon in this world, to actually Live.



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Mike McDonald » 05 Oct 2011, 07:19

"in equality you see no 'friends' or 'enemies'."

I am one vote for world equality.



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Mike McDonald » 06 Oct 2011, 06:15

Viktor i attached this forum thread to my vlog video i did about desteni being a practical solution for Occupy Wall Street. You explained Communism well. You assisted and supported me in realizing that it never worked because the education of man was the same. Desteni is assistance and support for re-educating ourselves and facing our acceptances and allowances. I am grateful for the support. Thanks for sharing!



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Re: Why EQUAL MONEY isn't COMMUNISM

Postby Mike McDonald » 06 Oct 2011, 06:22

Desteni is the Practical Solution for Occupy Wall Street. Know Thy self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmpSa_UqDF0




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