question about desteni course

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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Maya » 15 Sep 2012, 10:29

Regulation from the perspective of assessing if a person is an actual human being that would utilize the the system for self support or whether the being is an abuser that is only interested in abusing the DIP system and the participants, the support structure and/or stealing the material for instance. Obviously, having a facebook account would not guarantee that the person would be serious in one's application but it is a point that reduce deliberate abuse.



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Patrick » 15 Sep 2012, 11:09

Regulation from the perspective of assessing if a person is an actual human being that would utilize the the system for self support or whether the being is an abuser that is only interested in abusing the DIP system and the participants, the support structure and/or stealing the material for instance.
I understand the concern about the material being stolen as such things unfortunately happen all the time with new systems that are developed. Other than this case however I don't really understand though why someone would sign up to a course and pay 100 Euros a month (which for some people including myself is quite a substantial amount) if he/she doesn't have at least the belief that the DIP will aid in the process of self-support. Why would anyone sign up and invest time and money just to "abuse" others? Unless you are talking about so-called "cult researchers" and the like, it doesn't really make sense to me what exactly you mean by this reference to "abusers". Also I don't understand how facebook can help prevent this. If someone wants to say something bad he can do that on facebook as well (just like through many other channels).



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Leila » 15 Sep 2012, 12:09

One's facebook profile gives a nice indication in terms of what the interests / tendencies are of the person, since what they Like,Share and Comment on is displayed on their page. If for instance some has -- as an extreme example -- pornographic-like material on their facebook then we can take this into consideration when the person signs up.



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Patrick » 15 Sep 2012, 12:30

One's facebook profile gives a nice indication in terms of what the interests / tendencies are of the person, since what they Like,Share and Comment on is displayed on their page.


That's what I thought when I asked for a more detailed explanation. That is by the way precisely the reason why I do NOT have a facebook account. Not because I have anything "extreme" to hide but simply because of my belief that my private tendencies, interests etc. are exactly that: My PRIVATE interests. While I may share these with my friends, family or other people I have come to trust or know better, I see little reason to make them openly known to the whole world. Forgive my criticsm here, but what you're basically saying is that you use facebook as a kind of "spy" tool to gather background information on people. That is exactly what employers etc. do as well; I actually know a friend who didn't get a job because his potential boss sniffed around his facebook account and found pictures from him being drunk that were 2 years (!) old. This kind of thing is in my strong opinion not what facebook is supposed to be there for. Would it really be used to connect with people it might be a good thing but being used as an information gathering tool is in my opinion an abuse of the whole idea behind it.
I'm sorry if this sounds a bit hard now but this is a topic I kind of get a bit emotional on.
If for instance some has -- as an extreme example -- pornographic-like material on their facebook then we can take this into consideration when the person signs up.
Obviously a person that posts such material has serious personal or social problems in their life. But wouldn't it be possible that this person wants to overcome these points and explore the deeper reasons for his addiction/attraction to such material? You sound as if you wouldn't permit such a person to sign up or at least that's how I understand you. But that might be rushing to a wrong conclusion about the persons motives and situation. Just my opinion.

Edit: I was also just wondering how this whole facebook thing (and perhaps other regulations I don't know about yet) matches with the tagline from the website saying the course involves "no obligations" (meaning as I understood it no obligations other than towards yourself)?



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Anna » 15 Sep 2012, 13:47

Hi Patrick.

There are people who because of their work cannot use a public Facebook profile which is entirely up to them and not something that prevents them from participating in DIP or in Desteni. The Facebook verification system is a simplistic measure that was implemented to ensure that abuse is prevented and for no other reason. It is not to check up on people, their interests or their personal lives. A person would most likely not be discarded from the DIP based on having pornographic images on their Facebook profile - however this might affect how the person would be supported. Whenever a person signs up, all points are taken into careful consideration so as to support the person the best way possible.

A point to consider within this is thus also whether you are deliberately looking for/expecting secret agendas or flaws within the approach towards how the DIP registration-process is managed. Maya did for example mention previously in this discussion, that if you do not wish to use a Facebook profile, that this will be taken into consideration. So there is really no 'problem' - unless you are deliberately looking for one. So the point of reacting emotionally to this point indicates that you're not looking at the point in common sense, but based on personal experiences/back chat.

A suggestion could be to simply participate here on the forum, share yourself, write a blog - check out our Facebook profiles, who we are, listen to the interviews, read the articles - so basically to slow down and focus on your own process. As mentioned previously, the DIP is a decision you make for yourself and if you've got concerns towards the foundation of the course, I suggest addressing these first in writing, in for example investigating if you within yourself have any 'hidden agendas' or fears meaning in terms of already 'expecting the worst' or having made your mind up.



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Maya » 15 Sep 2012, 14:04

A point to consider within this is thus also whether you are deliberately looking for/expecting secret agendas or flaws within the approach towards how the DIP registration-process is managed. Maya did for example mention previously in this discussion, that if you do not wish to use a Facebook profile, that this will be taken into consideration. So there is really no 'problem' - unless you are deliberately looking for one. So the point of reacting emotionally to this point indicates that you're not looking at the point in common sense, but based on personal experiences/back chat.
Yes.



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Patrick » 15 Sep 2012, 20:46

I suggest addressing these first in writing, in for example investigating if you within yourself have any 'hidden agendas' or fears meaning in terms of already 'expecting the worst' or having made your mind up.
Hmh, very interesting thought Anna, thank you for this perspective. I am a person that does tend to be quite pessimistic at least when I'm thinking about starting something new. I do tend to rather expect the negative and the worst in the sense that I always put the spotlight on possible flaws or areas that could present what I perceive as "problems"; I don't do this deliberately, it's more of a sub-conscious thing.
Maya did for example mention previously in this discussion, that if you do not wish to use a Facebook profile, that this will be taken into consideration.
I'm sorry, I must have missed that. I just saw it now when I looked through the comments again. Thanks for claryfing it again.



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Re: question about desteni course

Postby Fidelisspies » 15 Sep 2012, 21:06

Its like Maya said - some cannot have a facebook account based on specific reasons and if you do wish to sign up it will be considered. Also we do not 'spy' on people

Part of what we are doing here is finding out the reasons why we react to certain things - learning more about ourselves and why we fear and then move past it. You said that you want 'who you are' to be private - that means you might have a fear - you might fear people who you do not know. Also to get emotional about this point of not wanting to be exposed - to protect you privacy - Its understandable, but to want to hide from others does mean you do not want people to see who you are = hiding.

Dont misunderstand me here - im not saying you are hiding something extreme, simply most people fear being exposed, getting hurt, traking advantage of. This what this world has told us and what we have learned - there are bad people who abuse you.

Desteni is a community of people who assist and support ourselves and others - we will never abuse - we stand for the end of all abuse. And the proof thereof is the people/Destonians and the blogs and those who have been here for long.

Im merely revealing some points you can look ate to see if you can relate and support yourself with

Thanks




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