So, I hope I highlighted all of this properly.
This is an email that this person sent to my cousin regarding Desteni.
The things that I said was just in regards to my cousin and I discussing Desteni on Facebook.
And you will see Anna's reply (which is earlier in this topic) and this person's responses.
My cousin forwarded it to me, and I thought I'd share it here.
Have a look through my reply and thoughts on your cousins reply below. His letter is in black and my replies are the red text. Feel free to just forward it to him if you like.
The more I read about it the whackier it gets. I just can’t fathom how someone can fall for some of this stuff.
I had a read of it, I can see how that COULD relate to Desteni.
You can see how it could relate but refuse to make the connection due to your personal interests. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and evidence implies it is a duck; then it’s most likely a duck.
At this moment I am cool with Desteni, I trust it.
This is how all victims of cults fall prey, by trusting the source without critically researching it. And the key word there is CRITICALLY. You can’t research with the intent of finding supportive information and validating your belief, this is known as confirmation bias. You must apply the same criticisms as if you are a neutral party. He demonstrates the same devotion and commitment that any religious person eminates by whole-heartedly trusting the source without critically analysing it. In other words he has the same faith in these people that an evangelical Christian puts in their reverend or god. Blind faith leads to ignorance . This will be his downfall.
I haven't payed/don't plan to pay for any courses/interviews. The majority of the material is FREE. Certain things do cost money, but they aren't necessary at all.
WRONG. Read the fine print. Yes there are a lot of things they have available for free. Yes the majority of the material is free but it is utter garbage and useless. The only free information is the information that leads you towards deeper understanding and the only way to progress to the deeper levels are through the paid courses. The entire System revolves around people “supporting” each other through the courses, all of which are paid courses. The ONLY way to progress through the system and achieve any sort of “enlightenment” is through the paid courses. The free ones are there to bait people into receiving the higher levels of training. This is much like Scientology’s work method; they offer heaps of free courses too, but to get anywhere in the group you have to do the paid courses. There is no other way to jump the queue in these systems.
I also asked people that have been with Desteni about the possibility of a cult.
This is what "Anna" had to say.
This is laughable. Do you really think anyone in the group is going to say they are a cult? If you had asked followers of Scientology, the Heavens Gate Cult, Jim Jones’ People’s Temple or the Manson Family if they were a cult do you think they’d say “yes”? Anyone who answers Yes to that is deluded and poorly informed about cult life. This is an identifier of a cult; a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs and practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative perception. It is absurd to consider asking them if they are a cult.
The following is what I'd suggest for anyone who says that Desteni is a cult to consider:
It is easy to make assumptions about something when casting a glance at it. Yes, very true. I’d agree with this statement. It is similar to seeing monsters in the corner of one's eye at night, where upon further inspection it was merely a lamp casting shadows. But if you don't actually step out of the bed and go and investigate it, you'll keep sitting there seeing monsters because of what? This is a very well-known scientific phenomena called paradolia. And investigating it without understanding what you’re researching leads to incorrect conclusions and biases being confirmed. Fear and Imagination in the mind that is coming from within oneself. Despite the fact this statement sounds a lot like new age crap it is slightly valid. I do suspect that these people are using this statement in the wrong way to warp the meaning somewhat. Paradolia is a result of both fear and an active imagination. And this does come from flaws in our human brain left over from thousands of years of human brain development. It is not some sort of magical inner secret you discover and open doors into the inner workings of your mind. Therefore I'd suggest to have a look at whether one is deliberately looking for some specific result (like Desteni is a cult). And what about the other end of the spectrum? What about people looking specifically for evidence that it is NOT a cult? Bias works both ways, it is not a one way street. You can be biased both FOR and AGAINST it and this is why I find the process of sceptical and scientific researching to be so crucial. One must approach the subject from a neutral perspective and make judgements based on sound, validated evidence, not personal subjection and anecdotes. Even if one does research it looking for evidence of it being a cult it does not neutralise the evidence if the evidence supports the theory.
- because otherwise, would it not be common sense to investigate something before making assumptions? There’s a big difference between making assumptions and making an informed decision. Assumptions are based on personal beliefs and opinions but an informed decision based on validated evidence is clean of all biases and personal perceptions. This is what makes scientific studies so much more valid and solid than personal anecdote. As they are designed to remove biases, falsify our theories and modify our thoughts on how and why things happen. Common sense is not something that most people possess a great amount of, thus the need for falsifying our beliefs against testable, real-world results.
So suggest to instead of looking at the word 'demons' and recoiling, to investigate in detail what is being shared, because how can you otherwise make an informed decision? Grammar is never a strong point of these people. It is a great demonstration that most of these people are not that highly educated. We make informed decisions by weighing up ALL the evidence, both for and against, and then making a judgement on the totality of this evidence. Is that not also the problem with families for example, in that we're brought up to place blind trust and to not ask questions? Contradicts what he was saying earlier; “At this moment I am cool with Desteni, I trust it.” If the problem is trusting people then we should definitely NOT place blind trust in this group until it has been publicly established that they are not a cult. I’m not sure what sort of family they were raised in but I was always taught to ask questions and that there are no silly questions. To me this comes across as another way to break down the family bond by suggesting that the family institution is responsible for the lack of critical thinking. The lack of critical thinking stems deeper than that and is not solely the responsibility of the family model. So by discrediting the family model they can reinforce the “stability” of their “family model”. I'd definitely suggest to investigate Desteni in detail so that you can stand clear in whatever decision you make (Yes, certainly do investigate Desteni in great detail so that you can stand clear in your decision) - that you are walking this process for yourself, that no one is exploiting you financially or otherwise and that you can share this in certainty with anyone that asks. “That no one is exploiting you either financially or otherwise” is a demonstration of how blindly these people follow the process without critically analysing it themselves. One only needs to read the documentation on the Desteni I Process (the way to earn an income) and you quickly see the pyramid of power rising. If this is not exploiting you financially I’m not sure what is? Paying monthly fees, plus course fees, to achieve a state of understanding that is not achievable through the greatest of universities or colleges is a blatant scam. If the information being provided is poor or speculative any form of payment for this is exploiting a person’s ignorance to the facts and their lack of critical research skills. And if they say they can express this with certainty to others it further demonstrates the depth these people get within this group. I find it spellbinding that people can be so blindly devoted to these things. At Desteni we've laid ALL the material that has been produced since 2007 out freely online. FALSE. There is limited information available from the organisation. The information that is available is poor and misinformed; offering proof of uncountable amounts of un-proven or proven incorrect information including everything from supporting Breatharianism to supporting Hollow Earth theory. The most absurd of non-scientific beliefs arise within the Desteni group as validated and proven. One only has to visit the Desteni I Process page to see how many years of PAID COURSES AND FEES you need to rise up within the Desteni System. It is all here, how Desteni was established, when, by who, for what purpose. Yes it is all there but not on the Desteni website. And I cannot fathom how anyone can read the story of Bernard Poolman and Sunnette and not laugh at how radically stupid it is.
There is no 'behind the scenes' of Desteni. Everything is shared in full disclosure. No, it is not shared in full disclosure, there is definitely a lot going on behind the scenes. And therefore to claim that there is something fishy going on without having done ANY background research is simply ignorant." Ignorance would be ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence proving that this group is an active cult.
So, I'm sticking with it for now. The common downfall of a religious believer. At the least they’ll do it because it’s easier to go along with it than to ask questions and pass a critical eye over it.
The entire educational system of Desteni is based on the possessions experienced mostly by Sunnette. Once in these possessions Sunnette is able to provide the “truth” about everything in the world from world events to physics. Sunnette’s possessions include but are not limited to: a grain of sand, the first molecule, reptilian beings, alien beings, Marily Monroe, Kurt Cobain, an assault rifle, a leprechaun, a coffee cup, Adolf Hitler, Aleister Crowley, a panty liner, Freddie Mercury, a piece of toilet paper, Joseph Stalin, Bruce Lee, Jimmi Hendrix and a petrol pump.
During these possessions as strange objects and people she is able to tell us the truth about the world and how it works. So people ask questions, she becomes possessed and then tells you the answer as understood by the universe and its infinite knowledge. Almost all of these videos offer the opposite to the scientific facts and evidence. It is nothing but delusional ramblings that are being offered as an ultimate and innate spiritual understanding of the universe.
Let’s take a look at some of the crazy lies they tell and believe in:
Hollow Earth Theory
The Moon Landing Hoax
Reptilian Babies bred on Earth
Crop Circles caused by Mother Earth
Viruses/disease are a result of your own self-deceit etc
Crazy theories on MS, Mental Illness, Depression, blood clots, eczema and many other diseases
Mind Possession/Backchat/Demon Possession
Inter-dimensional beings and Inter-Dimensional Portals
The Law of Attraction
Human Vibrational Frequencies
Home schooling to avoid mainstream education
Effectiveness of prayer
Fairies, Orbs, Unicorns, the Mexican Flying Humanoid, EVP’s, Voodoo
12 Strand DNA Activation
And all of the evidence supplied by this organisation is discovered through the interviews with Sunnette possessed by one of the many crazy things she speaks as. This cannot get any more absurd or crazy.
A cult is really defined by their ability to trick and coerce members into staying yet feel like they have some sort of freedom. They are defined by their outrageous beliefs that set them well apart from the mainstream and their ability to make you feel that those beliefs are true. They offer the usual self-help processes and paths to enlightenment or some sort of understandable universal knowledge that is only achievable through the techniques they apply. The whole thing will sound romantic at first but by the time the victim realises what has happened it is too late and often harder to remove themselves from the situation.
There is so much info validating the fact that this group is a bizarre and strange new age cult whose creator has one thing in mind. Making money for little effort.