W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Open for discussion and further support
User avatar
sandymac
Posts: 752
Joined: 14 Jun 2011, 21:46

W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby sandymac » 05 Apr 2012, 20:03

http://sandymacgillivray.wordpress.com/ ... intention/

I saw an add recently stating something like; ‘Go away to Jamaca with Dr. Wayne Dyer’ which was some promo to win a trip. It had his picture with palm trees and a beach in the background. I am always amazed at how grateful people are to these celebrities who give away prizes. Do we realize how much money is made from a stunt like that , which is really to promote the sale of his books and seminars? Dyer can afford to jump on a plane, first class, any day of the year and buy a villa on each of the Bahama Islands if he chooses. The money for such a stunt does not come out of the celebrity’s pocket, all work done and money comes from image companies/publicists etc. Charity stinks. Why doesn’t he purchase a homeless family a mortgage free home? Or get a list of families about to be thrown out of their homes onto the street and pay off their mortgage free and clear? THAT’S real support, compassion, love. The rest is a carrot and stick with these celebrities laughing all the way to the bank. Is this ok with you, that image? Not suggesting Dyer deserves less just that we all deserve equal.

Anyway, be careful with a book like *The Power of Intention. What appears to be laying the foundation of truth is actually deception. Unfortunately, but for a few of you, you’ll know this soon enough as the information, ideas, philosophy, spirituality presented in this book does not work, did not work for me. What Wayne Dyer sells is hope, which is quite self serving (not intentionally, lol).

Just looking at a few chapter titles here in this blog to give you an example of the nonsense contained in this book.

Chapter 12: It is my Intention to: Attract Ideal People and Divine Relationships

First of all, if we lived in a world where all were supported equally, you would not be temped to purchase a book about attracting ‘ideal people and divine relationships’. The main premise of this chapter is to do so to bring money into your life! He suggests we can bring the ‘right’ people who will ‘move us forward’ in our endeavors and it will result in an ease of income, like he has. So it is motivated by self interest which is forced upon us by the way the world’s money system is set up. Supposedly, if you have this intention it will come by some super power/magic ’cause a higher power/force is on your side, the magic power being an idea in your mind and vision (again your mind). What kind of a power/universe would agree to such a thing and how in any way is this a divine relationship. It’s just survival pure and simple and survival based on making money, not for the good of all, not for equality. If Mr. Dyer wants to attract divine relationships and teach others to do so he could do something concrete/real here in the physical by looking around and seeing poverty and promoting equal income for all.

Chapter 13: It is my Intention to: Optimize My Capacity to Heal and Be Healed

Why do you need an intention? If one realizes our minds/thoughts run rampant and hinder our ability to direct our lives effectively to bring lasting change, simply putting in more thoughts to the already overflowing stew that is our minds, will not sufficiently support us. It just makes you feel like a failure when it does not work because you can’t keep it up and inevitably go back to your old way of thinking.

This is a ridiculous claim; ’Optimize My Capacity to Heal and Be Healed’ how can one optimize it if one does not know the very starting point of disease? If we as human beings knew how to do this, we would be doing it by now! But in fact we age and die, have accidents and die, get diseases/viruses and die. We also build killing machines and destroy each other each and everyday! The starting point in the last example is the mind, wars begin and end with thoughts and those thoughts are based around money, gotta get it or gotta keep it and gotta protect it from other nations=my neighbor.

Quite simply a thought/intention, meditation (although helpful) will not be sufficient to effect lasting healing for the patient or the healer. You cannot heal another although one can assist and support in learning how to heal yourself. Our current medical system can assist with symptoms and diet and exercise can assist with putting off disease and aging but not heal. This is the current physical evidence, why fool ourselves, bring hope when hope is nothing but again an idea and not real, it gets people to open their wallets and this is what the author wants. I am not suggesting the author does not also have ‘good intentions’ and want his words to be true and wants to ‘help’ people, I’m sure he does but this does not change the fact that his message is based on hopes and promises and not results that equate real change and improvement in people’s lives. He does nothing more than ‘inspire’ ‘encourage’ and create energy in people to get up and ‘get going’. But with no where to go, the energy in people drains/dissipates and they are left with nothing but another book on the shelf, another $30 wasted knowing they contributed to this spiritual guru’s opulent fortune and fortress. He is financially safe, are you?

Investigate: Desteni.Org EqualMoney.Org

Forget intention, lets fix this world for real, time to stand for all equally. Do you want to be part of a group of people who are helping change the world for real? Join Us!

*The Power of Intention, By Wayne Dyer

Published By: Hay House Inc. February 2004, United States



User avatar
Vadim1
Posts: 8
Joined: 05 Feb 2013, 09:10

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Vadim1 » 05 Feb 2013, 10:12

Forget intention, lets fix this world for real, time to stand for all equally. Do you want to be part of a group of people who are helping change the world for real? Join Us!"
Yes, I want. How to fix?

Thank you



Marlen
Posts: 4121
Joined: 12 Jun 2011, 20:16
Contact:

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Marlen » 05 Feb 2013, 14:18

Hi Vadim, welcome to the forum

The point of fixing is a process of taking responsibility for our creation, which is then why we begin with ourselves: getting to know and understand how our mind functions in order to see How we have built, shaped, made rule in this world according to benefiting only a minority.

The reason why we say this is the real way to walk a process of self-change, is because we take Self Responsibility for it. We can only create a better world if we understand how we abused it, it is a process of educating ourselves to see where we abdicated our responsibility through external institutions, instead of looking at how the problem begins and ends within how we act, speak and interact with each other at an individual level.


This is how if we see 'the problem' out there, in the exterior as separate from us, we often get a mind-experience of feeling powerless, hopeless, helpless - but these are only mind experiences that we take Self Responsibility for at an individual level, because we understand that what counts/what matters is becoming individuals that are educated on how the world system is the direct result of our action and inaction and in this, the key resides at an individual level within Self Responsibility as in living the equality principle in actions, words as who you decide to be as part of the solution.

We focus on Ourselves as the solution without allowing ourselves to be 'sunk' by what we see, where we live in and how we perceive people are, this is what we work with within this process of Self-Honesty, realizing that we cannot allow other people's experience or 'the state of the world' to create an experience Within us, but we rather Write it out, Self Forgive the experience and walk a self corrective process in order to consider practical ways to instead develop common sense and self honesty to live As the solution in itself.

Here at the forum we share such writings and Self Forgiveness, Self Corrective Statements in order to see how we can practically direct ourselves to consider what must be physically implemented/done to establish a solution to this world.

This is why revolutions and any other attempt to 'change the system' failed, because change was seen 'outside' of self, instead of beginning with each one individually.

I suggest you go to the Introduce Yourself forum where you can tell us more about yourself.

If something's not clear, share as well.



User avatar
maya rote
Posts: 319
Joined: 16 Jun 2011, 08:23

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby maya rote » 05 Feb 2013, 15:57

thanks marlen
The point of fixing is a process of taking responsibility for our creation, which is then why we begin with ourselves: getting to know and understand how our mind functions in order to see How we have built, shaped, made rule in this world according to benefiting only a minority.

The reason why we say this is the real way to walk a process of self-change, is because we take Self Responsibility for it. We can only create a better world if we understand how we abused it, it is a process of educating ourselves to see where we abdicated our responsibility through external institutions, instead of looking at how the problem begins and ends within how we act, speak and interact with each other at an individual level.
i can never be reminded of this point enough

just yesterday i went into a state of overwhelmingness due to reading some hateful and racist comments made by people, thinking to myself "how the hell are we going to change anything when these are the people that need to be changed?"

but i realize it isn't about changing them, it's about taking self responsibility and changing myself, within realizing that "they" are not all that different than me, "they" are not the problem, "they" are not to be blamed, realizing that "they" are supporting me in showing me nasty points within myself that i have accepted myself to be equal to, and now i must face them in self honesty and take self responsibility and walk the process of self forgiveness and corrective application in order to make sure i know how i created myself as such a being, and once seeing and realizing how i've constructed it within/as myself along with how i hid it from myself in self righteousness so many years, to never again allow myself to participate in such nastiness and abuse, to then stand as the living example, while sharing and exposing myself so that others can see and make the decision for themselves.



Marlen
Posts: 4121
Joined: 12 Jun 2011, 20:16
Contact:

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Marlen » 05 Feb 2013, 17:33

Exactly, breaking the unspoken conformism wherein we have led ourselves by thinking 'everybody else is doing it, so why should I change?' and in that, we all remain complacent to Not taking the decision to change, which will be perceived as 'swimming against the current,' but it is not really since we are not 'opposing' any one, we're just standing within/as the principle of how things should have always been/worked/functioned based on Principle, not preference or self interest.

Thanks for sharing



User avatar
Vadim1
Posts: 8
Joined: 05 Feb 2013, 09:10

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Vadim1 » 05 Feb 2013, 19:07

Hi Marlen,

Thank you for your answer.
Hi Vadim, welcome to the forum

The point of fixing is a process of taking responsibility for our creation, which is then why we begin with ourselves: getting to know and understand how our mind functions in order to see How we have built, shaped, made rule in this world according to benefiting only a minority.
The reason why we say this is the real way to walk a process of self-change, is because we take Self Responsibility for it. We can only create a better world if we understand how we abused it, it is a process of educating ourselves to see where we abdicated our responsibility through external institutions, instead of looking at how the problem begins and ends within how we act, speak and interact with each other at an individual level.
I met similar statements, for example, in New Age books and articles. To start from yourself, change yourself and the world will change. I never understood how it would look practically.

You say: "process of taking responsibility for our creation".
How did I create, built, shaped the world that serves only minority?
In what way I shall take the responsibility?



Marlen
Posts: 4121
Joined: 12 Jun 2011, 20:16
Contact:

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Marlen » 05 Feb 2013, 19:37

You say: "process of taking responsibility for our creation".
How did I create, built, shaped the world that serves only minority?
In what way I shall take the responsibility?
By our own abdication of Self Responsibility and in this regard, it is accepting and allowing our current system 'as is,' without realizing how within voting, we vote off our responsibility to be directly involved in the creation of laws and policies that should have stood in the best interest of all. By individual participation in this abdication of self responsibility and believing that 'government is looking after us,' we all collective agreed that they in fact knew what's best for all, when we are currently now only facing massive consequences of believing that social responsibility was only voting for a candidate and live our lives working to make a living. That's the problem. Hence it is a collective accumulation of being not involved in political decisions that we are now 'paying the consequences' and even more so, believing that we 'played no part' in it, which only creates a sense of victimization when we are in fact aware that every single contract that we write our name on, implies agreement to sustain and maintain the system as is. Money forms part of such contract, money wasn't made 'out of nowhere,' it was set as an agreement that we all complied to and by doing so: we are all collectively responsible of all the problems and atrocities that have been committed in the name of it.

At an individual process within our minds, such 'power' we gave to money begun at a Mind-level. Believing that we could somehow always get the most, be on top of others, have a way to escape from our responsibilities by paying someone else to do them, seeking to make the most profit regardless of 'who' has to be affected by such measures, working only to fulfill one's dreams instead of looking at how such dreams are only fed by our media and entertainment that we readily accept as 'cool' and 'how things are' and 'what I should aspire for.' Every single thought, every single desire, every single consideration wherein we didn't regard the benefit and well being of all, makes us Responsible for creating the inequality, disparity and polarization we're living in. And all of this is in fact because we All sought to be in the place of such minority, and that in itself as a constant goal or achievement is the drive-force that we have all lived out within 'making a living' in this system. Even if you weren't self-driven to do this by greed, remaining in the opposite pole of, for example, apathy and distrust makes you equally complacent to the laws and decisions that only a few were empowered to make 'in our name.'


Self responsibility begins within you, as your own mind, reviewing all the decisions you've made - looking at what motivated you to become what you are, what you do, why you do it, how did you consider or not considered a common well being in such decisions, how do you stand within your reality, how do you handle your relationships, have you established a relationship of self support for yourself in the first place? And these are questions to get to know how you in fact as an individual, as part of the collective have adopted the ways and norms in a system wherein we all blindly followed through with it, never questioning if within this seeking of self-fulfillment we were taking into consideration other's well being, as we realize that within Equality, our responsibility relies at an individual and collective level - there's no way around that.

Writing, Self Forgiveness, Self Honesty and Common Sense are the tools that we work with here, you can always read to start seeing how this is applies in order to understand the collective responsibility that we hold toward each other due to how we've acted/lived out words, thoughts that have not stood within this collective consideration of Equal-Responsibility, that means: you practically correcting within you all the patterns, habits and relationships that are held in self-interest and instead, align your life, your views and perspectives within the consideration of what's best for All.

You might have read this already from other's perspectives, so all I can suggest is you actually live it, apply it to see what we mean with all of this, otherwise it only becomes a cool recommendation without application. This is about doing it yourself.

If something's not clear, share here.



User avatar
Vadim1
Posts: 8
Joined: 05 Feb 2013, 09:10

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Vadim1 » 05 Feb 2013, 20:39

Marlen,

From the early days when I started working never ever did I have on my mind any hope and reliance on the government in different aspects. I am saying this as indication that self responsibility is what I am.)
On the other hand, there were circumstances, which were above you, and in such a situation you could only submit yourself to it.

Another example, inequality. I was always against it. How personally I could create that?

Yes, I have read this from other perspectives (as an example, Hawaiian practice of forgiveness) and yet would like to see how those tools will help change the world in a practical way?



Marlen
Posts: 4121
Joined: 12 Jun 2011, 20:16
Contact:

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby Marlen » 05 Feb 2013, 21:09

how those tools will help change the world in a practical way?
By correcting the character, the starting point and the drive behind human beings' actions, words and deeds toward a best for all and equal consideration of the actions, words and deeds contributing to consequences that are supportive in nature. By correcting the participant's mindset, you have half of the process of 'changing the world' in place, the second half is acting as such correction to implement the necessary economic, political and social structures that reflect and represent such change at the individual level.

The tools support you to do this at an individual level. The problem is obviously not 'the world' but how we participate in it, same with money and anything else.

Those circumstances that were 'above us' were so because, once again, we accepted and allowed it, this is not only speaking of you and your lifetime-as that would be a rather individualized perspective, but as humanity, as a whole and the generations that have gone before us, because we are them as well, invariably so and that's common sense.

So, I would ask myself in your position: am I willing to contribute? or am I only seeking to have a reliable proof of how this will work in order to live this as myself?

And that's a very pertinent aspect here, this is a self-willed process, there's no convincing around but rather standing as the conviction that a principled life based in Equality for all will invariably create a change in this world if all participants agree to live by this principle. The process to get to that point is what we apply here, because who we are as the mind has been blindly accepted and allowed without pondering how it is that the scheme that has now become our own cage was plotted in our own human mind. By having a mind, by breathing the same air, by using the same water, by virtue of existing in this same planet = you're equally responsible to anyone else, no matter if you never 'intended harm' toward another, because the consequences are not formed through what you 'think' about yourself or others only, but what you buy, consume and use that is invariably linked to a plethora of abusive processes where money stands as the ultimate reward and resources, living species, people's lives are abused and consumed to generate such well being.

If this does not yet ring the sound of Equal and One Self Responsibility, I would ask you then to share what's your perspective on what we're proposing here and what is the solution that you envision can be best for all.


Thanks



User avatar
maya rote
Posts: 319
Joined: 16 Jun 2011, 08:23

Re: W. Dyer: Looking at 'The Power Of Intention'

Postby maya rote » 05 Feb 2013, 22:20

cool discusion here, thanks
Marlen,

From the early days when I started working never ever did I have on my mind any hope and reliance on the government in different aspects. I am saying this as indication that self responsibility is what I am.)
some people, are more "in touch" with self responsibility, you may be one of them, only you can know in self honesty who you are in every moment, though i suggest, as you walk this process, to re-investigate yourself, even at places where you are sure you acted in self awareness and self responsibility, you may be surprised to find that you were actually driven by fear, or spitefulness, or hopelessness, or anger... or not, though, i wouldn't blindly trust the knowing you have of yourself at the moment, i would investigate it in self honesty - only then you can be sure of who you really are, as who you accepted and allowed yourself to be, and from there you can decide which aspects about yourself you wish to keep as they are points of self support, and which aspects you would like to change as you have found that they are not aligned in equality and oneness, as they are driven by self interest, greed, fear, and end up causing suffering for yourself and others around you.

i find that this self investigation is the key to any change, because you must know where you are standing in order to know where you are going and how to get there. here, writing yourself to freedom and self forgiveness are key tools as within writing you allow yourself to see yourself in the words you place on the paper / screen, where as apposed to having a conversation or a thought, once you write it down it stays there and then can be looked at from a non personal, non judgmental perspective, simply allowing yourself to see what is written, and then forgiving yourself within taking self responsibility for all that you have accepted and allowed.
On the other hand, there were circumstances, which were above you, and in such a situation you could only submit yourself to it.
here again, i would investigate in self honesty these situations you are speaking about, and take into consideration that this is not a point of blaming self for not changing the circumstances, it's simply about seeing what really was the chain of events and who self was within them - what i found for myself, when looking closely at situations where initially i felt helpless and submissive within and would turn to blame within my interpretation of the even, is that i did have a role in creating the situation, i did have my share of participation within it, especially when looking at who i was within the situation, as the energetic experience i went into before, during and after the event - this self experience is always my responsibility, so even if i could not have done anything to change the course of the event, i can look at why did i react to it the way that i did and how could i have reacted different within myself - how i react in/towards situations is an opening to realize/see/face another aspect of myself, which as long as i haven't allowed myself to realize/see/face it i cannot be responsible for it nor direct myself within it.

Another example, inequality. I was always against it. How personally I could create that?
i too was also always against inequality, obviously, i mean, i'm a good and caring person... lol... what i have found is that i have lived inequality in every moment of every day, here some examples:

where i compare myself to another and experience myself less than them, i am participating actively in inequality.
when i blame or judge another i am participating in inequality as i would not have wanted to be judged or blame, thus i am not treating them equally to how i would like to be treated.
when i follow my preferences while disregarding the outflow of my actions, when i am not considering others as equally worthy as myself to have their preferences met, i am participating in inequality, because i prefer fulfilling my preferences and not theirs.
when i love and care for my loved ones, but do not experience the same love and care towards strangers, i am participating in inequality, as i do not see them as equally deserving of my love, my love is conditioned and is not shared/given/expressed equally to all

the point being, we have become the living manifestation of inequality - and as long as i, personally, am participating in the construct and concept of inequality, i am giving my permission for it to exist in all it's forms, i am setting the example for others that i accept and allow inequality to exist through practically living it within/as myself and towards myself/others.
Yes, I have read this from other perspectives (as an example, Hawaiian practice of forgiveness) and yet would like to see how those tools will help change the world in a practical way?
many of the concept that you will hear / read from desteni will not be new, many others have had some pieces of the puzzle and in those parts are aligned with desteni, but what i have found is that the information shared here, and the tools provided here are the complete box, with all the pieces of the puzzle including instructions, and now it's up to you to put the puzzle, as yourself, back together again :)

oh, and one more thing, i also wanted to "change / fix the world" and i still allow myself to "go there" in my mind, but changing the world is impossible, i can only change myself, and within changing myself i set an example for others, even the desire to change the world can be a point of abdicating self responsibility, as looking out there into the problems of the world instead of in here into self - i also realized that in order to change the world we must be a group, and as a group our range of influence will grow, and grow and grow, but first each one of us must change ourselves in order to make sure that any influence we have on our environment will be aligned with what is best for all, in equality and oneness, and not based on our hidden self interest / fear / personalities / characters that we have not yet taken responsibility for and dealt with, so thus, in order to trust ourselves absolutely that we will act in the best interest of all life as we work towards changing the world, we must first know who we are, and walk the individual process of self change into correction, into becoming the living the principle of what is best for all in equality




Return to “2012 Blogs”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron