Hi Mats.I see your points. In any case, the article will probably be deleted because the lack of references to non-Destonian sites. So if there are no newspaper articles or something like that about the movement, no independent sources, then it is not much hope. It will probably last less than a week. So if you want Desteni, or Equal Money, on wikipedia, in Swedish or any other language, there must be non-Destonian references. If such things can be found and included, then the article has at least a chance to survive, and then one can think more about exactly how every word and concept is described...
It’s not relevant if there are other sources of articles on desteni, if there aren’t, there aren’t, and if the page is removed because of it, it doesn’t matter. If you know you are required to have these sources and you don’t have it, then you should not be writing the article.Well, as I said it probably doesn´t matter much how the text is written. I always try my best to write in a responsible way and give both sides perspective, whenever there are controversial stuff with different opinions. I have improved the text a little bit since yesterday, but the main problem, as I said, is the lack of independent coverage of the organisation and/or Equal Money and/or the Destonians. Due to the lack of newspaper articles and that kind of stuff the only thing left to mention, which maybe, maybe, could justify an article about this topic, are the appearant "war of opinios" between the pro-Desteni-folks and the anti-Destini-folks, which as far as I have understood it goes on mainly on youtube and a few blogs. Because if an article on Desteni and Equal Money doesn´t mention this kind of sources, for the critique, there seems to be no other sources of reference except the blogs and youtube-channels by Desteni-members themselves.
If you are ‘forbidden’ to write articles without other sources, then do not write this article. It is suggested to follow the rules of any site/organization one participate on, as you may cause unnecessary and unfortunate consequences, as we do exist in a system of rules with consequences.And I´m actually forbidden, more or less, to write articles about anything where the information is based mainly on the organisations own description of itself. As you know there is no Desteni, no Equal Money, no Bernand Poolman, nothing Desteni-like what so ever, on any wikipedia, English, French, Swedish, nothing. So it´s actually strange that the article after several days isn´t deleted yet. So... if you want to play a dirty trick with wikipedia, which actually isn´t allowed or recommended, you can always try to sneak in there, and put a few words here and there, to make it more pro-Desteni. That would either make the deletion faster or it would make the article look better.
We utilize the group here that has been walking with Desteni for years to cross-reference with each other to make sure information is accurate. The message of Desteni is not understood by many, as it goes against all we’ve known and understood about ourselves and reality, because we have always lived as knowledge and information and never got down to the heart of actually investigating this reality to get an actual understanding, so that when we are faced with actual reality and common sense it doesn’t seem to make sense. Common sense is like an uncharted territory for humanity, and as such we cross-reference our information within the group, to ensure accuracy.Or you could add a nice photo, or you could write something about the stuff I haven´t included because I don´t understand it. Such as the interdimenstional thing and other psychological-social themes.
Yes, I know, that Desteni is not understood by many. Perhaps a few more will understand at least a little bit with a page on wikipedia. Wikipedia is, after all, one of the top sites in the world. So if you, for example, care about spreading the word. Then I would guess that its a good thing to be on wikipedia. I would also guess that once the article is there, everyone including pro-Desteni-people, can contribute. Perhaps write in other languages, perhaps creating separate articles for key concepts such as Equal Money and so on. But its perhaps only my opinon, that wikipedia is something good in this world, and that it would be nice to have more interesting articles there, about a variety of stuff, including this stuff. I have rewritten the text, so I suppose that its better now. There are several things missing still though, I know that, but I hope I also will live tomorrow. You may disagree that I have also included some of the criticism, but that´s just the way it works, one has to give room for both sides in cases like this. The first line goes like this now: Desteni is an international movement which is based on the belief in the possibility and desirability of an equal world. Then I go on, telling that the webbsite was launched 2007, Equal Money and related stuff, some other concepts, that the movement is controversial and has been called a cult, ending with some links. To the organisation, to the wiki, to some relevant youtube etc. All in all, I hope Im neither too pro-Desteni nor too anti-Desteni.The message of Desteni is not understood by many, as it goes against all we’ve known and understood about ourselves and reality, because we have always lived as knowledge and information and never got down to the heart of actually investigating this reality to get an actual understanding, so that when we are faced with actual reality and common sense it doesn’t seem to make sense. Common sense is like an uncharted territory for humanity, and as such we cross-reference our information within the group, to ensure accuracy. Thus suggest to either work with the Swedish speakers to cross reference for writing this page and if it is removed for lack of outside source so be it, or to simply remove the page.
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