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Raúl
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Addition to masturbation and mind-energies

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Hi! Today I felt a bad experience, and I realized I still being addicted to masturbaton/mind orgasm
I share my experience in this blog: https://rauljourney2life.wordpress.com/ ... addiction/
It's kind of a personal experience I would not normally ask feedback on, but I realize that desteni is about self-honesty in all possible dymentions, and this is what I am going through right now. I have explained everything in the blog, if I am missing anything please say, cya!



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Hey Raul,
it seems you might be ready for the next step. To actually see the difference between the mind orgasm that you have only known thus far in your life, and a real physical orgasm. The best way I could put it would be to see how women fake orgasm or actually orgasm very hard and then realizing that you as a guy could live that. I mean it seems inconceivable, impossible for a guy to do that. But that is what I have proven to myself. And that is the difference I saw.

I was in a relationship before desteni, and I had plenty of sex, and comparing those "orgasms" or ejaculation to a real physical orgasm that I can live now, is like incomparable. Its the difference between a slight puff that lasts for half a second and a real physical orgasm that is unending.

And, I share all of this, to at least open your mind to what is possible and to motivate you to do the following practice. APPLY self-forgiveness on EVERY SINGLE SEXUAL REACTION. I mean every single one. Say self-forgiveness for feeling turned on for seeing womens boobs. Anything/everything you react to. Even the supposed "normal" reactions to seeing a naked womans body or imagining it. This requires a discipline.

That would be my next question to you, have you got a good grasp of stopping any thought within you? How is your level of self-forgiveness? A thought, is defined as static mental picture. Imagination is defined as a moving picture, like a movie. The process I walked was what I'm telling you now. Self-forgiveness on every and any movement in the mind that was sexual in any way. Then you practice masturbation or self-touch. The SECOND a thought arises, you stop what you are doing apply a self-forgiveness, DELETE the image/thought/memory and then continue. If it doesn't go away, STOP and don't continue. And then do whatever it takes to delete it. Write a blog about it if you have to. Just find a way.

Essentially you are EMPTYING yourself of every single sexual thought, reaction, programming within, until you reach a ZERO point, where you literally control your own orgasm, within physical constraints.

Just to give you an idea of what's possible, I had read this book before process called the Multi-Orgasmic Man. Basically showing that men can have multiple orgasms. Its an OKAY book. Half of the info was useful. The other half wasn't. But it opened doors for me, to see what is possible.

One CLEAR observation is that when you masturbate to Porn, you LOSE sensitivity, you don't/can't really FEEL with you physical SENSES. When you actually create the orgasm yourself, it is very SENSITIVE, and your physical senses are clear or heightened. I assume the same applies to females as to males, but I'm a male so can't say for sure.

ask me any questions in case something wasn't clear or if you are unsure how much self-forgiveness to do. The answer is to do all the self-forgiveness possible until you are just HERE, BREATHING, and then you MOVE!!! No mind, no thought. This same practice will support you in all areas of your process, to MOVE!! without thought. If you ask a question make sure to do it here on the forum so others are supported and others can support you!



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Hi Yogan! Thanks for the feedback.

I'll talk about my reality. I don't desire to be multiorgasmic, or to have a bigger longer orgasm, I could use that to motivate my mind to move in some way, but it just doesn't motivate me like it did in the past. That's because I have forgiven myself for most of my fantazies, they feel almost gone, and with forgiving the fantazies, and discovering a masturbation that releases my mind instead of create attachments, I have been able to stop desiring mind-energy. In fact, I don't relate so much to the experience of having a physical orgasm as you described, what I experienced was absence of pleassure, since my mind could not attach to anythng, my body was experencing real pleassure for real, and it felt releaving, it felt like setting me free of desiring that pleassure, and since then the need to masturbate is almost gone. And that is awesome, because now I can use this energy to sing to play to work and much more. But, even if this is the bright side, it's not gone completely, as I said I still seeing women, or boobs, or bodies and I still get an instant reaction, and I think this is the same part of me that has been fucking me up in my dreams. It's very intriguing, because it's not me doing it, but rather I'll go to sleep and then wake up and I'll be connected to that part of me since when I was sleeping I became that, but when I am awake, living my life every day, I never go there, or active it, and if I decide to masturbate I do it to release my mind. And while writing this I am realizing that it is a repression instead of self-forgiveness, because when I say 'never' never in fact does not exist because I still have some reactions, and I think you gave me the solution here: "The SECOND a thought arises, you stop what you are doing apply a self-forgiveness, DELETE the image/thought/memory and then continue. If it doesn't go away, STOP and don't continue. And then do whatever it takes to delete it. Write a blog about it if you have to. Just find a way.

Essentially you are EMPTYING yourself of every single sexual thought, reaction, programming within, until you reach a ZERO point, where you literally control your own orgasm, within physical constraints."



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Yes exactly. I still stand by what I said before. Though to be clear, I'm not pressuring to masturbate in this different way. Another option is to empty yourself and that's it. Your choice.

Anyway, to share something practical to what you said about DREAMS and instant REACTION or Erection in seeing the IMAGES, whether in real life or in porn.

So I haven't had a Wet Dream like I used to for a long time, Many years. Before desteni, I would have those dreams like where I am RUNNING in a dream looking for a woman to fuck. Like I would grab a woman and basically do what is sexual assault in real life. Grab their boobs, and force sex, which then I would quickly ejaculate and wake up. Get that good feeling. To be clear, EVERY guy is doing this. It is PreProgramming. I didn't purposefully think of this or create it within me, I just started having the wet dreams like Guys are programmed to do, and then WITHIN that ACCEPTANCE AND ALLOWANCE I evolved the dreams.

Along with what I said in the last post as a SOLUTION, in the beginning I DID SELF_FORGIVENESS WHILE DREAMING. You can do this. Just have the intent. When you catch yourself doing something in a dream, STOP IT, and do self=forgiveness while still dreaming. If you wake up, then do self-forgiveness as soon as you wake up. Keep doing this, remove/empty the reactions, build up your WILL POWER. Eventually nothing will exist.

If you are motivated enough by process then you can do this. However when you get to that zero point its up to you to move/decide/create. That can be a in relationship with another person, an AGREEMENT. I won't say more cause its up to each one to create.

There are Eqafe Interviews about masturbating physically in this way I described in last post https://eqafe.com/searches?utf8=%E2%9C% ... ng+secrets https://eqafe.com/p/shocking-secrets-of ... ips-part-4 Its relevant to SEX or Masturbation, because masturbation is just sex with yourself.

To be abstinent is cool too. I have done this before, where its a statement of not pursing any relationship or considering it at all, nothing sexual. I made these commitments for a year long term, and then renewed it before. Self-creation is up to you. Just sharing my experience. Your path could be different, yet aligned within principle.



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Guys are absolutely preprogrammed to have wet dreams, to reinforce the wound in the mind and the physical body as I have described it. My wet dreams were about depression or happiness, or energy, something like that. I always felt in the dreams that I was escaping to dreamland, where I could be happy and relaxed and live forever, this sensation hidded a very deep rooted depression. I used to have those dreams of just grabbing a random girl and forcing her to have sexual relationships without her even resisting, like if she was a dead robot, that happened to me because of porn. Then when I quit porn dreams engaged with the women in real life that I could have relationships if I wanted, and I would enter a state of downgrading myself for energy, to posses the bodies of women I don't even value. This happened because basically, they were the ones that I could have easy sex if I wanted. If they were women with a more atractive body, I would have to prove myself to be a bigger brighter man and I was not interested on moving my energies higher in any way, I did not have a purpose and therefore I did not atract atractive women. This is how it used to work.

I think the solution you said, appling self-forgiveness while in the dream might work for me, I will try this in effective real time application.

I do recommend absitinent in self-creation lol I really encourage men to do it. Just because for me it has the best effect in the whole world and I perceive that other men would feel like that too. It's like, with the energy in me, I still have it, it's all there. My face is red, my conversations are what I want them to be, I make people happy, I make myself happy, I am able to play and sing like if I was a very big artist, and all these and more I can not do it without my energy. If I really think about it, there is not a single reason for me to enter an agreement, or to lose energy in any way, because it is always within the starting point of feeling something, if that point does not exist, I just won't go there, for what? There is nothing of value there, nothing. There is only a source of support if you can't cope with life.

I am currently solving my own energy within masturbation and I am going to be productive and productive non-stop, and that's something which for me brings a higher state of consciousness, where I just don't need women or masturbation, and since I am an artist in my life this is very, very helpfull, I have no words to describe how supportive it is. When you see an artist singing to ten thousand people and being absolutely inspired and making women scream of desire, what the man is really saying is "Women, I don't need you (within the context of relationships), and neither I need to waste my own energy within masturbation, here I can use my energy singing to thousands of people and it's all I need to keep going up".

Of course, I want to evolve for oness and equallity and not for my own ego. Neither I want to make women scream of desire, I am just not interested, all I'm interested on at this stage of my life is evolving myself to be able to make a bigger impact in this world, and develop myself and manage my energy in the most wise way possible for my life.

So I encourage myself to be abstinent, and the more I do it the more benefits I get, that's how a man's life works I think, and I feel like encouraging other men to be it it's a good thing. But I guess, we all men inevitable end up with a relationship/agreement, because, if we did not have the need, we just would be friends and never have sex. Like that.

I believe when we have an orgasm, we lose our very life. We lose something that makes us who we are, we are able to be ourselves because we are with ourselves.



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Have a Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy1mZINphzM

No point in me repeating something that is said already. Let me know if its clear, or not. I can expand on it, or answer any questions/doubts.



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I just doubt on the utility of the orgasm itself, but I guess one orgasm in between big periods of time (2-3 months for me) in the way bernard describes it it is something which can support oness and equality in self-expressiin



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Keep in Mind that there could be things you don't know, simply because you never experienced before. The same occurs with anything related to the Mind and the Physical. Without the Mind, many physical things could change. Keep an "open mind" lol. Don't stick to Beliefs like you said before. "I believe when we have an orgasm, we lose our very life. We lose something that makes us who we are, we are able to be ourselves because we are with ourselves."
Especially when it comes to process. Generally the principle is the Physical is superior than the Mind, because the mind SUCKS its energy from the Physical. So you are right in a SENSE that the mind orgasms as I call it draws energy away from the physical and into the Mind. A PHYSICAL orgasm however, as I call it, does the opposite. Like how Bernard in the video. The energy stays within the Physical.

What I notice is that as I did self-forgiveness in releasing the mind points, while self-touching and breathing, I saw a strengthening of my body as if the energy that was trapped in the Mind/Thoughts was being released back into the physical.

If you convert this belief of " when we have an orgasm, we lose our very life. We lose something that makes us who we are, we are able to be ourselves because we are with ourselves."

...to apply to the MIND in general, so that any thought, any imagination, any emotion or feeling movement within you... "we lose our very life. We lose something that makes us who we are" well that is what is happening with the Mind and Physical currently. That is what Desteni found out.

So if you remove the Mind from something like Sex, then its a whole different ball game. The same thing if you remove the Mind from any activity: Dance, Singing, Working, even mental thinking as work, mental imagination as something you do on purpose, creativity, seeing possibilities, seeing the future playout of things, seeing deeper into reality. That's the whole point of process remove the Mind, and then start living Physically in this Physical Reality. Its a true transformation and True birthing of a NEW human being, completely new.



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Thanks for everything Yogan I'll see what I discover



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