Weekly Project - Creating Ripples on the Web: ##milgramexperiment




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YoganBarrientos
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Re: Weekly Project - Creating Ripples on the Web: ##milgramexperiment

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Hello, these are my blogs and vlogs on this topic this week:

Milgram's Experiment
http://yoganjourneytolife.blogspot.com/ ... t-279.html
Reading of above blog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EIThssbeaQ

Who's running your life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Ibm7aiO6w


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Mike McDonald
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Re: Weekly Project - Creating Ripples on the Web: ##milgramexperiment

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Day 744 - Doing Fucked Up Shit Because Authority Said So




Are you familiar with the Milgram experiment? Click the link to read about how average people will kill people because Authority told them so.

To watch a video showcasing the influence and susceptibility of humans to following along with bad advice because an Authority figure told them so...See this Derren Brown Video on the Milgram Experiment.

Who are the the firs main points of Authority in you Life?

Your Parents

Have you ever asked yourself what qualified your parents to be Parents?

Should you have to qualify to be a parent?

Did you trust in your parents as a child?

Do you see any parallel's with how society is structured with various institutions of Authority?

See, Parents, Government, Medical Profession, Doctors, Scientists, Teachers, Lawyers, Judges, Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Police/Military, Media, Celebrities, Popular Journals/Magazines, and Television

Did you know that when you seek the support and assistance of a Professional in any of the above fields of expertise...the support is but a Professional Opinion. Meaning that based upon the knowledge and information they have collected...the believe a particular way forward to be the best for you. This doesn't mean that it is true or not true. It means that is an Opinion as to what you should do based upon how the were in fact giving professional opinions about what they should do...and now they have been trained to give those opinions as an occupation based upon following and abiding by so many previous opinions.

What I find interesting here is the point of Trust. Where thee is often a rational justification to believe what You hear to be true or worthy of your attention because someone who within our world society is defined as being an Authority on Knowledge and Information within that particular field of study.

Is it possible that nobody really knows much about anything and that we have been for a very long time...perpetuating a conditioned behavior response where we mimic our elders and so trust/believe them and shape our Life as a result of what they have said. How valid is anything that has ever been said, when you consider that so much of whatever has been said, has been regurgitated from somewhere else that was passed on and carried on because of the Trust within the person who said it so.

Are we programmed and conditioned from an early age to make sense of non-sense?

Would you dare to really consider the possibility that who you are today is something totally different than Who You would be if You didn't ever make sense of non-sense...I mean, trust or believe anyone ever and that for anything to hold true, the point would actually require to be verifiable through self-testing and cross-referencing? A measure of Self-Authorization if You will. What have we Self-Authorized here that is totally fucked up. Who's responsible for the whackness Here?

Maybe this is not the most practical approach...or is it? Does it mean that in order to know that fire is hot you must get burned by the fire? The answer is no. Becoming introduced to Fire for example, you will see and feel the warm of the fire...You do not require to touch the fire to know it is Hot. What about that Fire can burn your skin? if one person is burned by fire as a result of making a mistake and getting to close to the fire, Everyone is able to learn from that mistake and see the consequence of that action....that if you are too close for too long to the fire, You will get burned.

Have You really considered the design of Education in our world? Typically beginning by the parents in the home...and then when you leave the home and go to school....and, every other person encounter.

What is also fascinating is that much of the exchanges of information that take place...come as like forms of commands...where somebody is Telling someone something...often it is an Opinion...which in a way is really a form of gossip...as like the spreading of Wild Fire....and it spreads and spreads and spreads...as you share what they said...and they share what they said...and all the while...just kind of operating within and as this perpetuating infections disease in a way....where most of the information that is being exchanged is not of the best benefit to anyone.

Is it any wonder that we are familiar with words like Rape, Molestation, Poverty, Murder, Torture, Punishment, War, Famine, Starvation, Suffering, Disease, Disability, Deceit, Deception, Slavery, Prisoner, Prison, Military, Weapons, Abuse, Fraud, Terrorism, Enemy, Fighting, Survival, Combat, Defense, Offense, Guns, Slaughter, Profit, 3rd World, Sweatshop, Injustice, Crime, Psychopath, Convict.....and the list goes on....

We are directly and indirectly supporting such conditioned behaviors/environments/circumstances as result of how we are accepting Authority to exist here. When you think of AUTHORITY, Do you think of Yourself First and Foremost...or is the point/words separate from You as like the examples I gave above as particular points of "recognized established Authorities"?

Is it interesting to consider and regard that in order to stop the rampant wild fire here, we need to actualize ourselves here as Self-Authority and Question the knowledge and information we have subscribed to whether passively or actively...because We are on Fire here...and The Fire is Burning up the Earth. Is this Hell? Have we become in such denial that we would not believe and know what Hell on Earth is despite being slowly burnt alive?

Let Manifest Heaven on Earth Forever, Wouldn't that be better than Hell on Earth? Are things in Reverse? Each is the Author in the Creation of Heaven On Earth Here. Note, this does not mean You create your own little bubble Heaven where everything is all good for you...is a start sure....but what about everyone else....is this a competition where some get Heaven at the expense of many getting Hell. What kind of fucked up game/idea is that?

Lets Share the Best of Ourselves Here, and Question what the fuck is going On and ask ourselves what the fuck are we really doing to ourselves as Everything Here?


"It's Hell on Earth, Whose Next or Going to Be First" Mobb Deep, Hell On Earth, from the Album HELL ON EARTH


Oh, did I mention that the Authority is You and has Always All Ways Been You?

So about all that Fucked up Shit....
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Re: Weekly Project - Creating Ripples on the Web: ##milgramexperiment

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How I gave away my authority

About two weeks ago I quit my job. I was overworked, stressed and unhappy. My work had become repetitious and meaningless. The good part was that I was paid well and I was able to give a number of friends steady freelance work. My boss, a vice president, took little interest in my job and seemed only concerned that I make him look good. He admitted that he had no idea what I do and said that “people like me” who work in creative services are usually under-appreciated. He added that doing such a job was a bit “masochist.” Such obvious lack of interest to help me – move up. out — or improve – caused me to give up hope and to revert to blame.

Like the “experimenters” in the classic “Milgram experiment” – I was hurting someone. I just didn’t realize I was hurting myself.

If I rewind my life I can see how I came to accept such conditions. Most of my life I have worked as a freelance artist. Freelancing, as the name implies, allows a more open and flexible schedule but it can be fraught with financial uncertainty. Predicting income can difficult – things like a home loan and various forms of credit are not easy to get as a freelancer. So when I was offered a job about 12 years ago in a company with benefits and a predictable income, I thought I would try it.

In his 1964 experiment, Stanley Milgram elaborated two theories: the theory of conformism, which was based on Solomon Asch conformity experiments where Asch demonstrated the degree to which an individual’s own opinions are influenced by those of a majority group… (get a job with a company, relax a bit, don’t worry about money for a while…) This theory showed that a subject who has neither ability nor expertise to make decisions, especially in a crisis, will leave decision making to the group and its hierarchy.

Working, especially in a corporation, requires varying degrees of conformity; but the big decisions and outcomes that affect our life – our salary, how much time we are expected to work, time off, vacation etc. are generally out of one’s control. To succeed requires conformity to that culture. Success is measured based on many intangibles besides measurable output – some are subtle and others are obvious. Over time one becomes accustomed to accepting the work-personal barter: that the big decisions affecting one’s life (money and free time) are made need I remind ….not by you.

The second theory, the agentic theory, states that “a person comes to view themselves as the instrument for carrying out another person’s wishes, and they therefore no longer see themselves as responsible for their actions. Once this critical shift of viewpoint has occurred in the person, all of the essential features of obedience follow.”

In my case I buckled under the demands of carrying out “another’s wishes” – I chose not to fight for what I saw was needed and then I did not take full responsibility for my decision. I held onto blame. I wanted it to be someone else’s fault that I did not want to be a part of this particular corporate culture.

I had to fight against all the voices in my head that said it was all their fault, that I did everything right. Like the “experts” in the Milgram experiment who told the experimenters that it was “alright” to keep administering the shocks, despite the physical symptoms of stress, anger, fatigue and general malaise, I continued to work at the job long after I should have left. I kept working because the “expert” in my head told me I might be able to change the conditions, that I might be recognized and given more authority. But instead of acting on what my body was trying to tell me, I persisted. I did not want to obey but I did want to blame.

I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to have abused my physical body within giving myself “shocks” as in continuing to endure the stress and strain of my job long after I knew it was not healthy for me.

I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to listen to the “experts” in my head telling me I could endure and change the work environment when it became obvious that I could not.

I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to use blame as a method to feel self-righteous about the stress and strain that I allowed.

I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to use blame as an energetic state within which I defined myself instead of investigating change or just quitting earlier.

I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to not take responsibility for because I preferred to blame rather than change myself.

I commit to no more use blame as a substitute for taking responsibility for myself and if I can logically make the argument for why I should or should not be doing something I will not resort to blame to prop up my version of reality in order to have a feeling/experience of self-righteousness and self-identity.

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