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Vaccination

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Vaccination - pro's and contra's with common sense (zoom-meeting):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Kk3JDNjG4

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Great topic and discussion - thank you for this discussion and for sharing it!

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Awesome, thanks for the feedback Gabriel very much appreciated.

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Hi guys, cool perspectives.

I've done more in depth research on vaccines in the past year and I would suggest also for anyone interested in the topic investigating terrain theory as opposed to germ theory, which is the foundation for the current medical establishment, which is at the same time driving the current narrative about viruses being contagious etc. Which to my current understanding is false.

So! That means the whole premise for vaccination is faulty and that would in itself debunk the current drive to get it - as well as the need to compulsorily apply them to newborns and infants in perfect health.

Secondly, there has been no isolation of "sarscov2" or the current supposed strain of "coronavirus" therefore no "peak protein" of such unfounded virus can be used to create a so called vaccine.

Thirdly, it isn't a vaccine in the usual term of the word. Its experimental mRNA as you guys explained and I consider it is important people understand this since there is a general acceptance of vaccines being "good" but this isn't one for the reasons cited above. People researching this have suggested to call it an injectable, that I consider can assist others to not take Information at face value and perhaps do more research.

If anyone wants to read documents or books on the vaccine subject let me know and I'll share.

Ultimately I totally agree it is about each person's decision on it and if someone feels consumed by fear about getting it or not, I would suggest to work on the fears in writing and self forgiveness first, until there can be enough stability and self clarity to make an informed decision on a matter like this.

If anyone has questions or would like further sources to what I shared here, let me know.

I have a daughter now and that is what prompted me to investigate vaccines, current situation just came across and it became handy for that as well.

Ok thanks for sharing

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Awesome Marlen, thanks for the in-depth reply. Interesting additions to investigate.

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Yep, surely.

The following I found on a youtube comment and its specific to the current covid injectable, this contains much more specific info if anyone wants to dive into further research. It correlates to what I've learned over these past months with regards to it.

Taking everything also with a grain of salt as it is ultimately only knowledge. Now also the writer of this is aware of terrain theory,.so he doesn't discard it or oppose it, he is simply laying out the facts based on the paradigm (germ theory) in which it was created.



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I have carefully studied the development of the covid vaccines and many things about them are very concerning to me:

First of all, up until this point there has never been any successful vaccine for coronaviruses in humans due to a problem typical of coronavirus vaccine development called antibody dependent enhancement or ADE. [1] In preliminary animal trials for previous coronavirus vaccines (SARS and MERS), animals were vaccinated and seemed to exhibit a robust antibody response, but upon exposure to the wild virus, they developed a paradoxical immune enhancement leading to severe organ inflammation (especially in lungs), and they died. [2][3] Paradoxical immune response in coronavirus vaccines has also taken place in human trials, which occurred during testing of the failed RSV vaccines of the 1950s. [4] Alarmingly, there are some statistical indications of ADE in covid vaccine trials, but there is no way to know for sure because many key signifiers of ADE weren’t specifically addressed. [5] Due to emergency protocol, the usual method of testing animals prior to humans was bypassed, limited animal testing occurred in parallel with humans, and the potential for ADE was not comprehensively assessed. [6] [7] Historical precedent would suggest, however, that ADE is a distinct possibility, and we may not know the true negative effects until years from now when vaccinated persons are exposed to SARS-CoV-2 or genetically similar versions of coronavirus. [8]

Second, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain lipid nanoparticles that are “PEGylated”, meaning the nanoparticles are coated with PEG (polyethylene glycol).[9] PEGs can lead to life threatening anaphylaxis or other conditions such as thrombocytopenia. [10] [50] Such reactions are already occurring during the initial vaccine rollout and PEGs are the most likely culprit. [11] Approximately 72% of the US population have PEG antibodies, with 8% having extremely elevated levels (more than 500 ng/mL), putting them at risk for severe allergic reaction and/or future autoimmune disorders. [12] These reactions were totally predictable, with many experts warning of the danger posed by PEGs [13][14][15], yet participants with a history of severe allergic reaction were excluded from the trials, serving to obscure the actual negative impact PEGs will have now that these vaccines are being given to members of the public who have not been screened for PEG antibodies. [16] Also, there is some worrying evidence to suggest that PEGs cross the blood-brain barrier and accumulate in the brain, possibly causing inflammation and/or autoimmune conditions, a fact gleaned from previous animal studies on mRNA vaccines. PEGs were found to be distributed across a spectrum of tissues including the brain. [52] Additionally, nanoparticles (such as PEGylated hydrogel) are known components for state of the art medical interventions, including biosurveillance technology currently being developed by DARPA and companies like Profusa Inc. [17][18][19][20][21] The secretive nature of this technology necessitates a knowledge gap between developers and the general public, so although my research efforts have yet to verify a direct functional relationship between PEGylated nanoparticles used in covid vaccines and biosurveillance, I personally do not relish the prospect of being injected with such given their association with biosurveillance technology of the military industrial complex.

Third, it is impossible to ascertain long term safety because of the foreshortened timeframe of Operation Warp Speed. [22] Vaccines should be tested for multiple years to adequately assess their longterm effects. [23] Short term safety is questionable too, as much of the data is still unavailable, and the current reports on safety and efficacy essentially amount to self-reported press releases from these companies themselves. [24]

Fourth, the efficacy number of 90% for Pfizer and 94% for Moderna is statistically misleading, reporting a relative reduction instead of absolute reduction of risk*. Also, the trials only assessed these vaccines’ ability to prevent mild symptoms and NOT their ability to prevent transmission. [25] If they don’t prevent people from transmitting the virus (especially when safer, cheaper drugs like Ivermectin do) [26] [27] what’s the point?

Fifth, these are NOT vaccines in the normal sense. They are mRNA vaccines, which utilize a completely different process for achieving disease protection**; mRNA vaccines seek to introduce messenger RNA into the body in order to “trick” cells into producing immunogens, which then stimulate an immune response. [28] These vaccines are the first of their kind ever to gain authorization. [29] Current vaccinations are essentially an extension of phase 3 of the trials. [30] Because of the lack of long term safety assessment and the new nature of this technology, people are participating in a mass human experiment with no way of knowing the long term health effects these could cause. Many problems from vaccines are known to have an incubatory period and do not manifest until much later, which is why testing needs to occur for multiple years in order to adequately assess risk. [31] One such problem currently being discussed is the mRNA technology’s possible impact on female fertility, as it encourages the production of antibodies against a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that contains a very similar protein crucial for the development of placenta called syncytin-1. This could interfere with the reproductive process by encouraging the immune system to react against syncytin-1, thereby disrupting placental development. [32] The vaccines’ impact on fertility is currently unknown as animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. [33]

Sixth, there was a signature for many different problems seen in the various trials and initial rollout for these vaccines, problems that are concurrent with commonly documented vaccine injuries. Injuries that did occur in the various trials/rollout have included, but are not limited to, anaphylaxis, Bell’s palsy, transverse myelitis, multi-system inflammatory syndrome, encephalomyelitis, idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpura, and death. [34] [35] [36] [37] [50] [51]

Seventh, and perhaps most importantly, the movement toward potential vaccine mandates or other coercive policies violates humanity’s most universally accepted principles of human rights and medical ethics, especially for a medical intervention with so many known and unknown safety/efficacy concerns. The absolute bedrock of medical ethics is the right to informed consent, as individuals must be made fully aware of all the potential benefits and risks associated with a medical intervention, while still maintaining the right to decline that intervention should they so choose. [41] Mandates or coercive measures fundamentally violate historical safeguards humanity has put in place to protect us from the ever present threat of medical tyranny, including the Nuremberg Code, the United Nations’ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights. [42] [43] [49] Such would also be in violation of the Hippocratic Oath, for not only do oath keepers pledge first to do no harm, but also to treat the needs of the patient. [44] This implies that a doctor’s duty primarily pertains to the needs of the individual before the needs of the collective, a vital distinction made by Hippocrates and understood for nearly 2 millennia. [45] [46] Privileging the needs of the collective is a “fallacy of misplaced concreteness”. [47] While individual need is directly apprehensible and consensual, collective need is an abstract, subjective concept not easily defined. And yet who usually gets to define this concept? Such is most often defined by those in power with the most means to influence institutional narratives, turning medical professionals who treat the needs of the collective according to this definition into mere extensions of that power at the expense of individual informed consent.

* Regarding the reporting on the reduction of relative risk instead of absolute risk, in the phase 3 trial of the Pfizer vaccine, for example, 22,000 people were vaccinated and 22,000 were given placebo, for a total of 44,000 trial participants. Of those 44,000, just 170 were diagnosed (via suspect application of RT-PCR tests) as having covid-19 post-vaccination. Of those 170, it was reported that 8 received the vaccine and 162 received the placebo. From this ratio it was inferred that the vaccine would prevent 154 out of 162 from getting the disease for an efficacy of greater than 90%. But even as the British Medical Journal explained, “A relative risk reduction is being reported, not absolute risk reduction, which appears to be less than 1%.” [39] The supposed sterling efficacy touted by both Pfizer and Moderna are great for instilling confidence in their product, yet they were based on figures derived from only a small fraction of trial participants (just 0.38% of total participants in the Pfizer trial, and the same misleading statistical reporting seen in the Moderna trial as well). [40]

** Labeling the mRNA technology employed by Pfizer and Moderna a “vaccine” stretches the term’s definition beyond reasonable limits. While it is true that such an intervention technically fulfills the purpose of vaccination by encouraging acquired immunity against an infectious disease, it does not contain any attenuated biologics typical of traditional vaccination; it may be more accurate, therefore, to label such as a “synthetic pathogen delivery device” constituting a form of “gene therapy”.

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And yeah it won't come from any "major" news site because, by now, it is quite clear that independent researchers don't get mass media deals to publish their stuff.

I also recommend Jon Rappoport's work on vaccine and virus topics. Like Eleonora says, he is one of the last standing independent journalists. I suggest the following article too

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12 ... y-matters/

Ok! And if anyone wants resources of how this injectable relates to coming financial changes -or attempts of - this is hands down the best explanation I've found. It was on YouTube but! It went "viral" lol and got pulled down so, bitchute link it is
Catherine Austin Fitts - Planet Lockdown Interview

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Wow Marlen you did a lot of investigation. I read first article and it brings me more to not having the vaccine. I already decided that intuitively and based on what I had found (mostly the mRNA part) and know myself about health, vaccines and the 'medical world' in general. However I did become milder along the way; these articles are cool to stay sharp so to speak.

I will place the link to the forum under the zoom record - within a closed area as a forum, more information can be shared, discussed and investigated.

Thanks!

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Yes! That's the idea, it allows for keeping info on it and adding to the investigation as it unfolds. Thanks for placing the link to her and yep for opening the discussion on it too

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Another article by Jon Rappoport who is a journalist following the vaccine stories for decades now, a compilation of data on other vaccines as a preamble to the current covid injectable or shot

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12 ... y-matters/

There are plenty of books on the falsity of germ theory as well, understanding terrain theory, vaccines and this is one of them. Most are written by non md's since these are people that are not indoctrinated into the medical system nor have a reputation or a job to lose so, this is one I got due to having a child

Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth by Walene James


And as with everything, human bodies have a remarkable capacity to overcome many toxins and poisons as we have demonstrated over the many years of mass vaccinations etc. So, I have no personal way of saying they do harm others aside from the data and evidence that abounds on the topic. What I am certain of is the lack of necessity of them once we understand the terrain paradigm to our health.

That to me is more important than saying yay or nay to a vaccine, it is about making it obsolete by moving from germ theory paradigm to the terrain or cellular theory

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