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tylersr
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Viruses

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With regards to this article: http://desteni.org/a/interviews-from-th ... -super-bug

Is it OK to drop what I think I know about how a virus like HIV, HPV, or herpes, which is supposedly forever, works?

If these viruses are manifesting in specific people for the reason of having them have an epiphany, if they were to learn their lesson, could they be cured of HIV or herpes? Is it possible that the virus would then go away?

Or is it just as scientists claim that, right now, the science isn't developed to the point to be able to cure people of these viruses so they remain with them forever?

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My perspective on this is that viruses are showing us what we've accepted and allowed within our ignorance of the physical reality because we've been/are so caught up in the mind, that we have allowed the conditions for these kinds of things to develop, as - if we were equal to the physical reality, in understanding how it works and working within/as it to always ensure a world that's best for all, we would not have manifested it this way. Thus they show us the consequence of participating in the mind without understanding/realizing what the mind is/how it function.

In terms of cures, my perspective is that the most effective cure would be to stop creating the conditions that lead to such a condition manifesting, and that would require an understanding of how we've manifested it, otherwise it can just happen again, and a cure that can be applied only after the fact means that the cause of the disease hasn't been stopped.

In the current system, since it's a profit based system, largely only that which makes profit is supported. There is a lot of profit to be made off of sickness and disease, so cures are suppressed, as that would take away a lot of business. So, we're not likely to see really effective treatments develop within the current system. And is why the Equal Money system is being developed, so that we can have actual science that serves the interest of life, instead of profit, so we can get accurate research and have a real understanding of things like sicknesses and viruses.

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Can't answer that question since I don't know.
What I do know is the pratical stuff about things like HIV. It destroys life and can push people in poverty even more into it. They also often do not get the best treatment, not as best as the ones with more money get. Therefore the impact of HIV has been biggest in Africa.

"In high-income nations, HIV infections have historically been concentrated principally among injecting drug users and gay men. These groups are still at high risk, but heterosexual intercourse accounts for a growing proportion of cases. In the United States, a quarter of people diagnosed with AIDS in 2008 were female, and three quarters of these women were infected as a result of heterosexual sex.26 In several countries in Western Europe, including the United Kingdom, heterosexual contact is the most frequent cause of newly diagnosed infections. In 2010, the number of people living with HIV in North America and Western and Central Europe reached an estimated 2.2 million.27 " http://www.avert.org/aroundworld.htm

So we often see the same causes:

-unsafe seks
-drug abuse
-poverty

Poverty is something that can be removed from the Earth, if we end this current monetary system that is. So that would already bring huge changes. It will also raise the quality of life for those who suffer from it. In an equal money system, all people requiring medication will get it. Currently: poor people simply dont have access to it or can't afford it.
Drug abuse is also often a result of bad life circumstances, poverty, a certain mindset induced by culture... (not Always, but often). Which also would drastically change by changing the way our world works, transforming our culture to a culture that has respect for life, for all living beings, and for ourselves.
Unsafe seks, same thing, also often happens in countries without contraception... All people should be educated properly.

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If these viruses are manifesting in specific people for the reason of having them have an epiphany, if they were to learn their lesson, could they be cured of HIV or herpes? Is it possible that the virus would then go away?
Based on the context of the question something would not 'go away' or 'be cured' because people had an epiphany, but rather that the person is taking responsibility for themselves and are aligning their starting-point within how they live to what is best for all and as such stop manifesting consequences that lead to specific illnesses. That does however not mean that the illness might not manifest, as the consequences of what we've done and who we've become is already manifested/manifested and as such are in a way where it's 'too late'. In the context to someone actively stopping a disease, it would mean that they have full understanding of and stand one and equal to their physical, for example in the context of the cells of the body - but at the moment we don't even stand equal to our own minds, let alone the physical. So that is where we're required to start from - to first get to know ourselves.
Or is it just as scientists claim that, right now, the science isn't developed to the point to be able to cure people of these viruses so they remain with them forever?
Science is not developed to the point of full understanding about how the physical functions, because the people conducting the science are not even aware of how their mind functions and exist in complete separation from their physical bodies. So therefore we can only get to such a point of understanding through getting to know ourselves and stand equal with ourselves in/as the mind from where we can begin developing actual science of understanding based on what is best for all. This is only possible in an Equal Money System where the foundation of science is based on developing solutions that is best for all.

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The strep virus is ubiquitous, and yet not everyone manifests the symptoms of the disease. So, in this context the virus is here but does not effect everyone. Thus, something in the state of the body causes this disease, when one becomes ill as having strep throat - for example.
In this way, disease shows us our separation from being equal to the physical.
The present profit driven system focuses on what creates dividend, and thus uses consequence of inequality instead of directing within self awareness development. The cause is each of us individually abdicating ourselves as life, in directing ourselves as life, here. We allow relationships to direct us, instead of trusting and directing as life, moving as what is best for all.

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Hi Tylersr,
everyone else have posted great support. To share my perspective.
If we really in fact stand one and equal to the physical we would be able to do much more than just stop illness within us, even those caused by virus'.
We are not at that point yet, and so we have to be practical. Our body will assist and support us, yes, but as long as we assist and support ourselves. If we totally give into the mind and go frolicking around, then consequences are guarantee to manifest to remind us of what we have given up on, ourselves. Sickness then can be a support in that sense. Remember, sickness is not good or bad. The viruses are not good or bad. What is real is the physical, and so within this we are a robot trying to realize itself as a robot and so then change and become something real. That something is a something, it is physical. Neither good or bad, simply itself. This is where the power of breath comes into play, the very basic oxygen needed to make the fire, CO2.

Also there remains much to research, and if you were to see the motivation behind what people research, or even people in general, it is from a starting point of self-interest. So you have some wanting to study obscure fields for their enjoyment, without considering the basic mother, the Earth, and our brothers and sisters, ourselves, animals and plants. We need to realign ourselves to honesty, which is simply what is here, and how it all works, as an interdependent unified being.

Researchers/science, and the rest of us, are all equally and as one participating in the same self-interest, without basic commonsense. A world cannot exist when all are caring just for themselves. We are driven by the mind for profit, to profit from our technology and resources to achieve Happiness, which is fleeting and consumes the entirety of who we are. We here at Desteni say stop the free choice; the choice to remain in limitation and ignorance is not a choice it is limitation and ignorance. Choice means nothing; it is who you are, what you live, and what you create that matters.

I suggest investigating the starting point of your question
Is it OK to drop what I think I know about how a virus like HIV, HPV, or herpes, which is supposedly forever, works?
If we said yes would you then just go ahead and think viruses cannot harm me, whatever, i don't have to take responsibility?

We here at desteni do not have any more profound knowledge, the message is basic, oneness and equality. Everything is held within that.
So cool that your asking questions, though simply suggesting seeing how you can assist and support you, whether through breathing or pushing oneself to see what oneness and equality means, and reveals of you.

Scientists also don't have any answers, they are just robots for profit, currently (this can change when we change the value of money). My aunt was researching with a professor in university and found a way to combat cancer cells using a protein from a plant. This led to nothing of consequence as companies currently cannot patent plant proteins (no profit for companies, though life would have profited from the support). This is one example of human's self-interest driving a system, which is currently not a care-giver or life-giver. This is a cool way to investigate self, see how we are one and equal to this profit system, and even researchers seeking self-appraisal and money. Again, its not good or bad, it is simply consequence and the reality. We have to get past that point of morality, that we are somehow good for realizing, and working with desteni. It is simply seeing the reality, and so acting from what we learn and see. This system does not support life. I am life, all life is me/one and equal, so lets change this system. Nothing good or special about that, just commonsense. :twisted:
remember life is life.
Just to add, choosing to forget basic commonsense and self-responsibility is choosing limitation.

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Also a more general perspective on illness and virussess:

Walking your process will not exempt one from illness - sometimes an illness may even manifest severely. The point would then be to get medical support on the one hand and on the other to get a process based perspective on how you manifested the illness, so that you can do your homwework and prevent it from having to manifest again.

And off course if you indulge in deliberately stpudid actions, then there is also simple consequence.

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Gabriel wrote:And off course if you indulge in deliberately stpudid actions, then there is also simple consequence.
defiantly don't go out and compromise yourself in any way, to investigate if you have transcended a point.

in regards to physical consequences as diseases or illnesses there is a really supportive interview done on EQAFE "Self Mastery and Consequences - Part 136+137" - when a physical consequences has manifested it's already "too late" from the perspective that it is the result and outflow of the past, and we cannot change the past, but it gives you an opportunity to stand stable within yourself and accept yourself as life regardless of the physical condition which you might judge and use as justification to not be here in every moment breath by breath in self honesty - the physical condition may not go away even if you forgive everything, but who you are within it, your relationship to your physical body will change, and thus you will free yourself from the enslavement you have created yourself as within judging the physical consequences, where you are not defined by the physical condition in separation/judgment/blame towards you body but accept yourself within and as the physical body and the physical consequences you may experience in equality and oneness

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tylersr wrote:With regards to this article: http://desteni.org/a/interviews-from-th ... -super-bug

Is it OK to drop what I think I know about how a virus like HIV, HPV, or herpes, which is supposedly forever, works?

If these viruses are manifesting in specific people for the reason of having them have an epiphany, if they were to learn their lesson, could they be cured of HIV or herpes? Is it possible that the virus would then go away?

Or is it just as scientists claim that, right now, the science isn't developed to the point to be able to cure people of these viruses so they remain with them forever?
What you have to understand with regards to the “Physics” of process, is that – we’re facing “physical manifested Consequence”, as we have throughout time as the Mind, in the Physical, conditioned the Mind-Physical relationship into and as such a state that the Mind has become the Physical, as the Physical has become the Mind. In this, we have physically manifested ourselves into and as “living consequence” – without realising, from the beginning of existence, during the time when the Human Race in the interdimensional existence was being created, that: Substance, now the Physical, is “aware”. Even ‘back then’, the Creators of existence did not realise that Substance, now the Physical, is ‘alive’ – they simply saw it, and also used and so abused it as a Resource from which to create Energy.
So, the viruses, bacteria, disease, illness, sickness – this is the physical-manifested consequence of how substance, the physical “responded” to/as the conditioning of/as the Mind in its existence – as we have as the Mind/Energy in our relationship to the Physical Body/Substance – established “disharmony” within the existence of/as the equality and oneness of Substance as Sound as WHOLE and went into absolute separation/disharmony in/as all levels/dimensions of/as existence.

So, when you experience a pain/discomfort – it’s the Physical indicating who we are in relationship to/as it, existing within and as “disharmony” and then we have the more extreme cases of “disharmony” in relation to the Physical Body as the illness, sickness, disease, bacteria, viruses that the physical body produce in its process of attempting to/trying to manifest “balance / equilibrium” within and as its existence.

So, with the consequence manifesting physically, becoming physical – the physical support and assistance available regarding the medicines and the “physical technicians”, if you will as Doctors, Medical Practioners, Homeopaths etc. one utilize to assist and support with the already-manifested Consequence one face within and as the physical body when one experience constant pain, discomfort, and/or have illness/sickness/disease etc. as extensive investigation/research has been done throughout human civilization to in most cases, assist and support with the physical Consequence. However, within this – what is not yet understood is where/how exactly the physical consequence we face today originated from, why/how has the physical body not always expressed into and as its utmost potential, stability, living…and this is where the History of the Mind-Physical relationship throughout the generations, and so entire existence of the Human Race come in, in both our relationship to the Physical Body and this Physical Existence as a whole.
So, when you face physical consequence – have to put the Body first and assist/support with the necessary medications, doctors / “physical technicians” available within this World. Then, additionally – to see, realise and understand that, the Process walked with writing, self forgiveness and self corrective application is Not a Cure for Physical Consequence – as physical consequence is something that accumulated not only from one’s personal mind-physical relationship, but also throughout the generations, as to how the physical had been “weakened” and how this would affect one’s living/life in this world/reality.

The Desteni Tools assist and support with UNDERSTANDING the mechanics, the process, the relationships to who we are in relation to the Physical Body as the MIND and how this evolved into and as the consequential relationship one now face / most of humanity face in/as the Physical Body and so this Physical Existence as a whole. And to from here, not worsen/intensify the physical consequence one may/might face and/or recreate it again in/as one’s Physical Body.

I would suggest investing in the Following interviews in where this Mind-Physical Process and Physical Consequence is discussed in more detail, and within this – how the Process of Writing, Self Forgiveness and Self Corrective Application function in relation to Physical Consequence:
http://eqafe.com/p/self-mastery-and-con ... rt-136-137
That, the process doesn’t change the Physical Consequence, and here we’re talking like about the extreme cases of physical ailments – but what does change is one’s relationship to the Physical Body, as the Physical Body, to not worsen the already existent consequence, but how to walk WITH and AS the Physical, despite the consequences of the past manifested; and within this – how, not to accept/allow longterm physical-consequence to inept you / victimize you from being able to walk your Process in/as this Physical Existence in/as standing/being/becoming equal-to and one-with the Physical.

Maybe one day, when/as we’ve reached actual Physical Equality and Oneness – once one has walked one’s process through the Conscious, Subconscious, Unconscious, Quantum Mind and Quantum Physical into and as the Real Physical, how our relationships will change/can change. For the moment, it’s to walk so – through the Mind, into and as the Physical – to Understand Consequence, Learn from it and Change self.

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That, the process doesn’t change the Physical Consequence, and here we’re talking like about the extreme cases of physical ailments – but what does change is one’s relationship to the Physical Body, as the Physical Body, to not worsen the already existent consequence, but how to walk WITH and AS the Physical, despite the consequences of the past manifested; and within this – how, not to accept/allow longterm physical-consequence to inept you / victimize you from being able to walk your Process in/as this Physical Existence in/as standing/being/becoming equal-to and one-with the Physical.
Very cool support here.

Thanks Sunette.

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