sunettedimensions set the channel topic: You cannot see that which you are - we start 5 after the hour
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: You cannot see that which you are in another when it comes to the mind - we start 5 after the hour
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: You cannot see that which you are in another when it comes to the mind - WE START
sunettedimensions Today, through the Portal - the Quantum Physical started a series of recordings in which an interesting point opened yup
We have before mentioned ÿou see who you can potentially be in others"- but this pertains more to the WORDS you are NOT LIVING and EMBRACING in you, yet see in another. This is more discussed in the Relationship series when it comes to attraction for example or competition
Now, we are looking at another way you can approach emotional reactions towards another
the context here is
marlen or attraction too
sunettedimensions when you INSTANTANEOUSLY react towards another, as though it is second-nature
this also reveals a deeper dimension where the person is accessing a pattern YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED, so you will not meet the person with UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT but rather emotions, secret backchat, spite, and suppressed reactions
cause, it is still quite prominent in us all this point of secret reactions towards others
the secret backchat
the secrecy point is holding you in the exact same pattern as the very one you are reacting to in the person who is the source of your reactions
so, we need to find a more effective way to drop the instaneous reactions leading us to go into Ï AM RIGHT THE OTHER MUST CHANGE or THEY ARE DOING THIS / THAT and go to understanding, support and the creating of relationships
kims yes this is interesting because I started to look at this point today and was going to write about it in my Mind Construct, but felt embarrassed in a moment to admit that I still have secret back chat
sunettedimensions because this point is one of the more effective ones seeming to create separation in relationships between indivuduals instead of the creating of relationships of understanding and supporting
so, it first needs to start with ourselves
marlen a phrase that assists me in those moments is reminding myself of 'mirror, mirror = my error'
so seeing within me where I am existing in the exact same pattern that I am reacting in another
sunettedimensions how would you all say we can test new PRACTICAL SIMPLE WAYS to take responsibility in those moments - realise, UIS REACTING is OUR PROBLEM not another nor defining another
kims yes marlen, and I remind my self to stand in anothers shoes, as we all have a 'story' as such or a reason why we have allowed ourselves to be programmed in this way
aldin thats a cool practical application there marlen!
i will adopt that
sunettedimensions we need to sort out ourselves so that we can STOP REACTING to people and actually start SEEING MORE TO THEM and what they are going through and assist and support
tormod They push my buttons- i should be gratefull for it
kims yes tormod
I found today that someone that a lot of people around me react too opened up to me, they explained how difficult their childhood was, so I was able to see why they are the way that they are sometimes
marlen also the latest interviews related to supporting the strengths in others are effective to remind oneself of instead of reacting and judging the other person, rather focus on how to sort things out, first within oneself as in 'not reacting' and then focusing on how to assist the other person to see their strengths, what can be done about it, finding other ways to approach the situation.
dan Flag point those moments of reactions, when there is a rise in the body, and as soon as possible, ask where it came from and shift to self responsibility. Over time, I predict I can make this more and more closer real-time
yoganb Actively remember your past and see that you have done things exactly like they have.
garbrielle i was looking at this this morning cause i started reacting to my sister speaking to my dog, sometimes it bothers me the sound of it and sometimes i am fine, and what i found was i had reacted on the way over driving in my car to a women who yelled at another person in a car that i witnessed, i went into kind of like a fright, and from there i saw that that was one of the triggers, i was already in an emotion when i got to my sisters house and she was just showing to me that i am still reacting somewhere and suppressing it
kims I also have to remind myself to not take others personally
aldin Lol, Dan -- As 'X' approaches 'real-time'
sunettedimensions Points we can look at PREVENTING us from changing - is resistance to even wanting to reach out and support others, like having to take that responsibility so we rather stay isolated in reactions and separations than create relationships, cause that is going to mean taking responsibility
kims that the pattern within them existed before they met me
marlen and there's also a deliberate slow down that needs to be directed within self, righteousness feels like a steel wall that nothing can tear down or penetrate, so, one has to physically relax to step out of the righteous character and step into humbleness which physically feels more 'grounded' too
sunettedimensions mean having the time and patience to support
mean having to actually get to know them
mean possibly having t challenge so many of your own comfort zones
kims yes sunette I experienced this today
leilazm what I do for myself is to explain the design / pattern for myself, where I take it from the specific reaction/event iit played out in to the raw basic equation of how the reaction operates. From there, it's easy to see how I play out that dynamic/equation in different scenarios and go 'oh right, I do that too'. And whats worked well for me is to walk the point for myself first and foremost and then once I've found an effective way to work with it, share it with the other person
sunettedimensions Agreed @marlen well described in terms of the detail of the physical movement support
everyone would definitely read up on @marlen suggestion - very cool support when it comes to the physical dimension
sylvia Thank you sunettedimensions for opening this up. Last week I met my in-laws after quite a while and I tend to react to my mother-in-law being manipulative and secretevely and I could not see as of yet what it was within me. Now I see that the secret back chat is mirrorred to me that I have about her and sometimes even speak out loud thrying to change her, but in a way it is manipulation as well and no understanding as of yet.
leilazm And a cool way to flag these points I've found is when I label a behaviour or a pattern as a PROBLEM, then I know I am moving too fast and rather see it as yes it's a point that requires direction, so how does one direct such a point?
kims yes marlen can relate to the 'steel wall'
sunettedimensions Nice @leilazm I do like that practical approach - slowed down, introspective, looking, understanding and changing from there, cool
marlen ah cool point leila yes, how we 'look' at things only through the eyes of 'problem' also supports that notion of 'I see the problem, I am right, there's no space to change it' type of close-mind
sunettedimensions @sylvia I suggest seeing where you are living the words manipulative (when you use your emotions against someone else for example to feel sorry for you / get your way) or secretive (when you think things about another in emotion and hold onto it and feel you are right to think it)
so @sylvia you'll be able to understand her if you understand the intricate dimensions of those words as well as realizing it is not about changing her, you will not be able to at this stage
kims I have been working with the word flexible, and have been opening myself up to flowing more with others and not being so rigid, because I see that when I am stubborn and fixed in my idea of them as ego by body will tell me with pain and discomfort in my shoulder
marlen yep it's an awesome opportunity I've seen where one gets into this 'tension' generated by looking at another within that idea of 'they are the problem' and then seeing in humbleness, wait a minute, why is this bothering me? Where am I or have I done the exact same thing? It happened with me when overhearing a conversation and judging it as 'gossip' but I had a recent call with a friend where I was deliberately 'wanting to know' about how fellow school mates were doing, so in a way wanting to get the 'scoop' on and didn't see that as 'gossip' per se, but I then could see AH! I was reacting to another, yet this existed within me and I didn't even question it.
sylvia Yes, sunettedimensions, I had looked at the word manipulative in another light. And yes it is indeed not about changing her, changing me for becoming self-cenbtered in such moments and obsessed with her as th eproblem instead of looking inside.
sunettedimensions Hmmmm but the deeper dimension we still need to get to...
is what is that moment still that lets us move to choose to react to and blame and even emotionally THINK ABOUT another person?
dan Good question
sunettedimensions like, what part of us has made that natural, acceptable - to the extent where we don't even sometimes know we are reacting to another cause of how fast the thoughts and energy moves
some just go into a prtesence dislike
and in that energy
create the relationship
marlen 'presence' you mean or ?
garbrielle i seeing a dimension of giving up, like i can't get this done, it moves to fast, i don't understand....so beliefs and justifications
leilazm Could be a point of control and protection - lack of self trust, where you feel the need to confirm to yourself that 'its not me, its everyone else'
sunettedimensions yes @marlen the fast moving dimensions
marlen k cool
sunettedimensions presence yes @marlen
leilazm kind of like wanting to affirm to yourself everything is okay, everything is okay - in a hyperventilating way lol
tormod Spite , righteousness which can be disarmed by slowing down and Humbleness
marjo Yes Righteousness
leilazm I dont have to change, i dont have real weaknesses that I've judged deeply and suppressed, Im OKAYYYYy
marlen well ultimately I've seen how one becomes 'the judge', been there maaany times actually, and this exists because of not actually daring to Understand others, to get to know 'how' they came to be or act out in a certain way, so also changing this 'quick assumptiong' or judgment to actually getting to know, getting to understand another becomes much more expansive/understanding
garbrielle yes also spite and beliefs of being more righteousness then another, doing better, a better person
dan Addiction to the comfortable pre programming, and fear.
sunettedimensions lol yes @leilazm like we're all trying to be 'better than' one another, meanwhile we're all unitied in the exact same unique worst of ourselves we're living and facing and instead of acknowledging and accepting that to be able to unite and stand up together, we fight to create an idea of better to make ourselves feel better...
leilazm so a knowing there's stuff you've got to change, not really knowing what to do with it and then fixating on everyone else
sunettedimensions yes @garbrielle
mattifreeman for me the primary point I found was 'I'm going to out-emotion you' - you're going to get upset at me? I'll show you getting upset
marlen and ultimately yes it becomes a 'quick fix' to say 'they are wrong, I am right, end of story' but it ends up being so limiting, so many relationships would end up right away because of not giving the space and time to open the point up within self and then with the other person to assist
ingrids I see it related to a fear of expressing myself in what I stand for and then a fear of conflict and others reacting to me and/or leaving me and then my expression is coming through in a polarity of what another is expressing
sunettedimensions this is also a dimension I have seen, like - we don't within want to really confront the deep shit, so it's easier to create a frew projected blame relationships of reactions on many levels than having to admit it all and at the same time make ourselves feel better than how we are now without actually having to do something about it
kims I have seen recently as well how I find I am not sure who I can trust as not to gossip or say shit about me, but I realise that this is because I don't trust myself yet to not do the same thing
ingrids Which only fuels the reaction in both
mattifreeman that locked me into feeling that I can't stop / can't see the other in any other way in that moment'
sunettedimensions lol interesting programming @mattifreeman
adam lol mattifreeman yes that competition thing - and in me a judgement fear of what might happen then
sunettedimensions the mind going into its energy sword-fight
marlen yep @sunettedimensions ultimately it's about having to actually act on it, take responsibility within and without, change
sunettedimensions taking on contenders
marlen @mattifreeman man that's like 'I give you a spoon of your own chocolate' as we say, like spitefulness/vindication? or more like 'You can't hear, therefore I cannot hear you back'?
mattifreeman and all because of accumulated scenarios with another reacting where I didn't see / have another option at the time and so this got interpreted through the emotion of powerless which then got channeled into the power of out-emotioning the situation -- attacking the source of my powerlessness
marlen @kims yep ultimately it's also first seeing where am I doing it, and secondly where you still believe that 'what others say about you' is defining you... which in fact defines them/us the ones that express it
tormod See it through their eyes, nose knows, slow down and humble self... they are a mirror
mattifreeman so for me the key has been first - recognizing this design within me and also looking at the actual scenarios and redefining them
sunettedimensions Cool perspective @mattifreeman
ingrids A solution that i saw working is to open up more vulnerable instead of going into protection and defense mechanism. Where i saw that i am still using things that another is doing in/as blame as a justigication for reacting myself and so actually doing the same - going into blame. So nit standing absolute in stopping my reactions.
sunettedimensions Okay, so - we'll be opening up the point of competition of a í want to be better than you in my MIND'when it comes to the continued reaction towards others and refusing to see that the very fact of reacting on whatever level - even if the excuse is THE REACTION WASN'T AS MUCH - is showing a point to reflect on within self
tormod Redefine the scenario
marlen admitting to oneself that it exists within ourselves too is also a first step, which is where humbleness comes in
sunettedimensions Yes, it's interesting that moment @marlen of admitting and forgiveness
marlen ah yes which is the 'man this is nasty, this is shit, this is not cool' = self honesty is not nice or beautiful reminder!
miranda Yes, cool ingrids, this I am working at for myself; being more vunerable, do it and investigate how others react to it
sunettedimensions so many created such a shame of themselves and a fear of it, they fear forgiving themselves more and facing the extent of shame than continuing consequence...
mattifreeman So for me the key was finding the real underlying spitefulness point coming from ME
sunettedimensions this is one dimension I think MyKey should open up - he faced this very well in his existence
ingrids Cool @miranda
mattifreeman Which kept fueling the channeling of me into emotion
marlen yeah hence self-forgiveness, nothing else can really get you 'out' of that loop of guilt, remorse, shame or whatever else
sunettedimensions the point of fearing the extent of your own shame and walking through the extent of shame in itself
darrylthomas Hey Mykey!
sunettedimensions instead of forgiving OURSELVES we blamed and judged ourselves, interesting...
we do that to others qas well do we not?
marlen yes it's such a self-sabotage point, 'perfect loop' for the mind, so that's the importance also of seeing the benefit of deciding to admit it to oneself and step out of it!
sunettedimensions we reacted to the worst of ourselves within, shamed it, feared it and blamed it and now continue to do so to others - WHO YOU ARE IS WHAT YOU CREATE
marlen not only seeing the 'sour bit' that comes with acknowledging 'yes that shit is also existing in me' but also at the same time hand in hadn realizing ah! but I can step out of this to correct it, to take responsibility for it within me and so stop projecting it towards another.
sunettedimensions to the point where we FORGOT ourselves and our process, lost ourselves in our own fear we live in projections of others...now others has to be our mirror to remind us of the process we have forgotten, the self we have lost and is still to be faced
marlen yeah as it was explained in an interview how we have a great opportunity of living in a reality of multiple stimulations, each point we can take on to see back to self 'why am I reacting to this, who am I in relation to it' instead of leaving it at a comfort zone of 'that's wrong, they are wrong, I'm right, end of story' limited mindset.
yoganb Seeing Everything Everyone has ever done, I have done is some way or another. So we are equal and one in all that is done always. This requires seeing our entire past, and bringing the past here as proof. So actually remembering what you have done to specific people in specific moments/situations. Doing this empowers you to help another by standing in their shoes as equals. This is what Bernard did with the Demons, he would show the Demons that he has done things just as bad as the Demons. So he showed he was one and equal in his past, and that he was able to change that point. This assisted the demons, because they had proof that since Bernard could change from being so bad, they can equally change their equal badness. Oneness and Equality is key. Because the Demons had shame and they resisted looking at their own Badness. And according to oneness and equality, we are also equal to the Demons. So we are the same. So someone has to take the first step in seeing their past whole and naked, and admitting what needs to change and actually changing. After walking this process for yourself can you only then walk it with another, equal and one.
marlen then one starts seeing reality, people with a different set of eyes, not as a 'source of problems' or 'shit to face' lol but as points that I can get to know 'who am I' in relation to it and see them as opportunities to face me, not 'have to deal with shit' or 'have to deal with/cope with others'
sunettedimensions Yes @marlen
kims i have a question Mykey
sunettedimensions Go for it @kims
marlen one can consider also 'taking the armor off' type of visual, which is this heaviness, steel like suit we are in such situations where we 'can't see anything further' so taking off that suit takes time, that's the time we can take to slow down and 'de-armor' ourselves
darrylthomas I have a personal weakness in me doesnt want to communicate with others when what I believe is blame and its accompanying shame component gets involved. It triggers a lot of anger that I dont want to give voice to, yet it seems like a double bind in that I shut down just to get away from the other
kims I have noticed how if I don't react to another by being emotional and just be patient and calm with them, when they are expecting a reaction, is this a reverse way of assisting them to see what they are capable of? ( I have seen for myself how someone has changed through me not reacting) But I have to check myself that I am not going into superiority and ego
sunettedimensions ...yes that and @yoganb the KEY though with Bernard was: I could see the man would haunt my being into existence if I do not DO what I KNOW - I always had the knowledge of changing, we all do and did - but never DID IT. So, lol - I would not and some other beings would not have changed without his support that is for sure. He was a motivation indeed lol - rather changed myself than being haunted by him
garbrielle yes and also within that Marlen remembering that once one does face it, learn from it, there then will open up and expansion to one's abilities cause in fact there was growth, so as one face and walk through a point be it difficult or more relaxed opportunity is birthed and potential is created, which is what life is about.....expanding and creating self, so there is gifts to be uncovered as one uncover the shit as well
dan Marlen, I use the terminology "shit to face" when talking about my process! I've got to realign that to more of an exploration/adventure of who am I in relation to the multiverse of points. I forgive myself for allowing myself to create a dread experience when facing my programming.
marlen @kims how to practically check if there's any superiority is if one misses doing the 'selfcheck' on the same point that we are now seeing ourselves as 'not reacting to', where one is 'clear' in that moment and can see ok I have indeed not reacted this same way in other contexts... that assists in then just making it a fact or a reminder of seeing further and continuing to work with points we have missed about ourselves. my take lol
sunettedimensions @kims you're making it about them, when it isn't. If you change / do something EXPECTING to SHOW something TO SOMEONE like teach them a form of a lesson - not genuine self change, you are making yourself a servant to them on a level "like I am doing this FOR YOU ON YOUR BEHALF SO YOU CAN SEE SOMETHIGN about tyou
when this is a dimension of process they face in their personal lives
marlen yep @garbrielle fully agree, we tend to get 'shocked' by the shit initially, instead of reminding ourselves, ok there's more after I walk through this, potential, growth, expansion, embracing... it's not all gloom and doom lol
that's a cool example of how we get to live and experience how we see/define things @dan so, go for it
sunettedimensions the personality you are looking at here @kims is the ï am here on your behalf"-pleaser making you 'feel good'. When you don't react, this is your process, however they respond is still challenging you as to how you are going to approach the support
so your process doesn't stop with reacting and changing, but also what comes after for tyou when it is to understand them more for example
so rather ask @kims "what more can I learn here"than Ï am here for them only to see something"
marlen and not to beautify it, I mean some things yeah are shitty, nasty, whatever else, but then that's what self forgiveness is for.
kims cool Mykey I hear you, thank you, but what if there is no movement and the calmness is natural point within me?
sunettedimensions then you need to take the next step
kims in that I don't experience any reaction at all
sunettedimensions understand them
sunettedimensions see and experience their point as you in you in real time
kims ok got it
sunettedimensions andf see what tyo do next
now the next challenge starts
we go to here for tonight
kims cool thank you
sunettedimensions All got some cool points to work with in these dimensions and dynamics opening up here
I've got some recording sto do / share
sunettedimensions Nice evening
marlen there was also a cool explanation on 'shame' itself by bernard, how when facing real shame that's also the moment for actual change, the opportunity to truly understand and so decide to change, very linked to the point of how self forgiveness will not 'remove' the memory, but being there to remind ourselves of what we've done so that we can prevent re-creating it again.
darrylthomas About time for more Mykey!
marlen can't remember the source though!
joekou i also remember that marlen
marlen yep that's been very supportive
kims bye all
marlen ok bye guys !
sunettedimensions Hmmmm we'll find it @marlen - someone will remember soon lol
sunettedimensions set the channel topic: FB redefining words SOUL meeting 2200!!! (Sunette announcement)
marlen yep! might have been even in a chat, will see.
tormod C jlt
sunettedimensions Thanks all for being here
Speak again soon
tormod Jtl blogg that was in shame
tormod Creations jtl
dan Tormod day 311
garbrielle lol Dan really?
tormod Lol bingo Dan !!
dan Yep, I'll never forget that one
marlen from a chat 'yes - this is still being 'ashamed' - shame would be similar to a real, deep regret that pulls you into the depth of your being and is so 'forceful' that from that moment of realisation of what you've done and accepted and allowed and the consequences you see/have done in that moment and the extent thereof - this is shame and it integrates so extensively that you will not accept/allow yourself to ever do so again
BernardPoolman1 and you won't"
ingrids It is in a blog of B @marlen
miranda thanks all, bye
garbrielle lol awesome
ingrids About real shame
marlen cool @ingrids if you find the link, place it here
ingrids One of my favorites
dan Shame, the first real emotion
tormod Please give a link
ingrids I have it but on my computer, will place it under the chat
marlen ok, thanks!
dan http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot. ... n.html?m=1
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marlen from sunette "Shame takes one into and as a Real Regret - the Shame the realisation of the extent and the consequences of what you've done and the Regret the realisation that you cannot change it will have to stand up from within it and not accept/allow yourself to doing it again"
You just beat me to it Dan...
Enjoy & bye
ingrids Yes @dan !
marlen Bernard: " a guideline to see that what one understand of shame is not real will eventually happen in process where you will become aware of a point where you should be ashamed of what you're viewing but because it is not personal, you feel nothing. then, the journey to shame become possible. shame currently only exists in a personal context"
Sunette Yes, so expanding on Bernard's point - in terms of shame still existing in a personal context - is that Real Shame, you'll in that see the Consequence of your participation and the consequence of that participation in/as other's /the environment - ALL the responsibility
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