Sharing my experience about desteni

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Raúl
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Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Raúl » 27 Aug 2019, 12:11

Hi! I am Raúl and I created this post because I'd like to share my experience with the desteni process, and my conclusion.

I was part of Desteni for... About 2 years. Maybe less than that. When I started, I had addictions to weed, porn, and had a failed relationship that had broken both of the individuals. To be honest it was the perfect moment to start something new, due to the amount of suffering I was having. The fact that throughout my life I have been able to abuse every addiction as much as possible, has been of great support, because it was because of that that I could break myself and start something new that I really believed in. If we take for example, my brother, since he has not broken himself yet, he still in the limbo of consuming drugs but also trying to live. That's why, no matter how contradictory, I advice him to go into stronger drugs, because if what makes you happy is wasting your life, do it properly, don't be in a mixed state between both, just because it won't make you happy. You have to do what makes you happy fully to grow faster.

So, Desteni supported me to stop weed, stop all drugs in general, stop porn, stop part of my harmfull thoughts and believes, and more important, it gave me a sense of purpose. It gave me something to believe in in a moment of my life that I could not see the real purpose that already existed for my actions. And that's how life works, and why so many people are stucked. Since they do not see it now, they believe it's not there, and don't even try.

Desteni, unfortunately, has the deficiency of being through internet. Which means that no matter the effort, some things just can't be transmitted. There is some knowledge which is shared and learnt only face to face And correcting myself, it's not a deficiency, since Desteni can still do good things through the nternet, it has done good things, it just can't work at the level of being next to a person like in the physical world.

So, I walked my process in Desteni, and always there was that something that I was looking for that can only be transmitted face to face. I tried to find it in Desteni, but that thing could not be solved, and even if I did progress, I always remain at the same level.

That missing thing, could not be solved, also, because, I misunderstood desteni's message, or at least, it didn't work for me the way it has worked for other people. And it is a fundamental point, that I was taught by another person that I met, face to face, that helped me find this thing within me that was missing. I studied desteni material extensively, and I heard too much, about the mind being evil, reward is evil, purpose does not exist, self-benefit is abuse and the evil of this world, everybody is wrong but this message, etc etc. And it was this thing that annoyed me. Because, for me, it is wrong. When I listened to Bernard, now, I don't agree with him. I have come to understand one thing, there is not any truth which is one sided, the truth is made of an equilibrium between two opposite, when the equilibrium is unbalanced, the lie appears. And Bernard's speeches, are absolutely unbalanced. Maybe for those people, in those moments, given their lives and processes, saying those messages was a balancing action. For me, listening to them, and believing them, destroyed my life, destroyed my purpose, it created a zombie within me, which was against its own mind. Because all that I heard were messages against the mind, always from that side, which for me inside my head, unbalanced my own internal equation.

And so I was deeply unhappy, not that I ever knew how to be happy in my life, but I didn't found what I was looking for in desteni. And every time I would talk about desteni's message not making me happy, I was suddenly treated as the evil, as being possessed by the mind and by self-benefit, even I believed it, because desteni's message=God, if you are against God you are treated as the evil, therefore you get evil treatment etc etc.. I was even told that what I was saying was a survival mechanism, and that I would cease to exist after death because I did not existed, only desteni's message existed. But I doubt my purpose was to remain in that unhappy state, following those statements, which works for the rest of you but not for me. If that works for you, it is cool, but it doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong, it doesn't mean you know more than me, and you can tell to other people if they exist or do not exist and if they are right or wrong. In the moment I expressed my truth and saw the reactions, I knew I had to leave. Don't missunderstand me, I also thought that I was wrong, because desteni's message is an absolute one, so there is just right or wrong, and I knew that if I decided to have control over myself I would be told those things by other people walking the desteni process. And this is what I didn't like about desteni, and what I have learnt that I don't like about cults that treat the mind in the same way. What I liked was the honest people, the intention to create a complex message of quality, the deepth of thinking, the mutual support... I don't think desteni's bad, it is just not good for me, because for me it is unbalanced, if that message works for other people and makes them as happy as a flower I am happy for them.

And I don't know, I am currently doing some good routines of stretches to support the energy within me, I was in another forum, and thought about desteni's forum and coming here to share my experience, and why I decided take away from my mind everything I had learnt in Desteni. It could perfectly be that I misunderstood the message, and desteni's message is absolute and it is the constant creation of virtue, and no matter what I say, desteni's message will always be good because if it is not it is me who has missunderstood it, but this is what in a practical sense I learnt in Desteni, and I like practicality because it gives you the proof of wether a thing works for you or not, or wether life supports it or not, and just wanted to share it, thanks and wish you the best!



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Re: Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Marlen » 28 Aug 2019, 19:58

Hi Raúl, cool to read your perspectives.

As with everything, Desteni may not be for everyone - as with anything in reality really - each one aligns with what works or resonates better with who we are and what we want to become.

On the points you could not agree with or criticize, I can only say that it's been a long path from that more 'absolutist' stance that we perhaps had in the past in relation to the Desteni message - and perhaps this is more like my own personal view of how I have become less absolutist about it and rather realizing the many paths, ways and methods that many people around the globe are taking to walk their own process in ways that may benefit them the most. And that's ok because in the end, the outcome and goal is the same or at least similar and for now, that's good enough that many people are finding their way to better themselves in whichever area of their lives they want to focus on.

Something I question though is how you mention 'some people' told you this or that about how things 'should be,' because that sounds again too limiting and absolutist. Desteni is not a dogma or a 'set in stone' type of thing. And with regards to Bernard's words, you're not the only person that has had a 'bad' reaction to it, but again, it takes a particular context to understand them and I can also see how it may have caused reactions in you, but then again, those reactions were precisely then existing in you to work with them and see 'where you stand' - so, that's what you did and that's where the outcome of 'where you currently stand' is, so that's about it. It's a matter of embracing it within you and not so much creating a conflict that 'lingers' about it.

So, as with everything: investigate all things and take what's good, what's supportive, what's practical and if Desteni supported you in some areas of your life, that's great and thanks for sharing about that.

All the best for you as well.



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Re: Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Raúl » 30 Aug 2019, 17:24

Hi Raúl, cool to read your perspectives.

As with everything, Desteni may not be for everyone - as with anything in reality really - each one aligns with what works or resonates better with who we are and what we want to become.

On the points you could not agree with or criticize, I can only say that it's been a long path from that more 'absolutist' stance that we perhaps had in the past in relation to the Desteni message - and perhaps this is more like my own personal view of how I have become less absolutist about it and rather realizing the many paths, ways and methods that many people around the globe are taking to walk their own process in ways that may benefit them the most. And that's ok because in the end, the outcome and goal is the same or at least similar and for now, that's good enough that many people are finding their way to better themselves in whichever area of their lives they want to focus on.

Something I question though is how you mention 'some people' told you this or that about how things 'should be,' because that sounds again too limiting and absolutist. Desteni is not a dogma or a 'set in stone' type of thing. And with regards to Bernard's words, you're not the only person that has had a 'bad' reaction to it, but again, it takes a particular context to understand them and I can also see how it may have caused reactions in you, but then again, those reactions were precisely then existing in you to work with them and see 'where you stand' - so, that's what you did and that's where the outcome of 'where you currently stand' is, so that's about it. It's a matter of embracing it within you and not so much creating a conflict that 'lingers' about it.

So, as with everything: investigate all things and take what's good, what's supportive, what's practical and if Desteni supported you in some areas of your life, that's great and thanks for sharing about that.

All the best for you as well.
Hey Marlen, you can ignore me or not answer me if you want, but I'll answer you.

I did not create a conflict, just wanted to clarify it. Obviously if you rebel against a God dogma, like I had to do to leave Desteni, you do are going to be lingering. But my intention with this post was to share my realizations, and I absolutely felt nothing when I shared this post, I was calmed, I am not lingering because I decided to leave desteni in any way, I stopped the moment I knew where I stand, just wanted to clear that out.

I know where I stand in relation to Bernard's words. There are things about Desteni that I have learnt in myself, like cooperation instead of destruction, doing what is best for everyone and not just for yourself... Etc. And they are part of who I am. As you say, the goal is the same. You are doing your job to achieve your goals, I am doing mine, while taking the whole world in consideration (with balance of course... It's not like you have to give up your house to prove you think about others).

So, what I wanted to say is, if what you mean is that I live in sin (because according to you what I did is not knowing where I stand in relation to Bernard's words), I embrace it, I am a demon, so evil that it would make you explode and have short circuits in the brain, several of them, I am Raúl I am blessed by the devil and I love it.

But please, understand, I am not an evil person. This is a matter of balance, you are one way, good for you, I am it's opposite, good! We have the same goal, good! Like ying/yang, man/woman.

If I get punished by God after death, or you are punished by my devil god, lets let the afterlife decide. The only thing that we know here and now is life, we exist, there is no being who can claim that he knows more than that, even if a lot of people claim the opposite, life is the same for everything, you can speculate about what is beyond, but you will never have any proof, so let's better not use that to judge one another. Nobody is beyond life, and what I don't like is that because you claim to know what is beyond, you say everything else is evil. I don't like that, and I will never believe in the afterlife because the only thing you are able to know (at least I do) is that I am alive by chance, and I can make something good out of this life.

I have found more humbleness in being evil and silly, because at least I stick to what I know, and I also agree with investigating all things and keeping what is good.

Greetings.



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Re: Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Gabriel » 31 Aug 2019, 08:56

So, what I wanted to say is, if what you mean is that I live in sin (because according to you what I did is not knowing where I stand in relation to Bernard's words), I embrace it, I am a demon, so evil that it would make you explode and have short circuits in the brain, several of them, I am Raúl I am blessed by the devil and I love it.

As you have noticed, Raùl, we stand unwavering within what we share and what we live. We don't need anyone to agree with us as such.

We are the living proof of what we do.

Please investigate why you must become spiteful and cannot just embrace our words.



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Re: Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Raúl » 31 Aug 2019, 11:40

So, what I wanted to say is, if what you mean is that I live in sin (because according to you what I did is not knowing where I stand in relation to Bernard's words), I embrace it, I am a demon, so evil that it would make you explode and have short circuits in the brain, several of them, I am Raúl I am blessed by the devil and I love it.

As you have noticed, Raùl, we stand unwavering within what we share and what we live. We don't need anyone to agree with us as such.

We are the living proof of what we do.

Please investigate why you must become spiteful and cannot just embrace our words.
Hi Gabriel, my goal was not to convince you, but to share my perspectives, I promise.
And I am very sorry that because of my words what you receive is spitefulness. Was merely sharing my perspectives.



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Re: Sharing my experience about desteni

Postby Marlen » 05 Sep 2019, 18:21

So, what I wanted to say is, if what you mean is that I live in sin (because according to you what I did is not knowing where I stand in relation to Bernard's words), I embrace it, I am a demon, so evil that it would make you explode and have short circuits in the brain, several of them, I am Raúl I am blessed by the devil and I love it.

But please, understand, I am not an evil person. This is a matter of balance, you are one way, good for you, I am it's opposite, good! We have the same goal, good! Like ying/yang, man/woman.

If I get punished by God after death, or you are punished by my devil god, lets let the afterlife decide. The only thing that we know here and now is life, we exist, there is no being who can claim that he knows more than that, even if a lot of people claim the opposite, life is the same for everything, you can speculate about what is beyond, but you will never have any proof, so let's better not use that to judge one another. Nobody is beyond life, and what I don't like is that because you claim to know what is beyond, you say everything else is evil. I don't like that, and I will never believe in the afterlife because the only thing you are able to know (at least I do) is that I am alive by chance, and I can make something good out of this life.

I have found more humbleness in being evil and silly, because at least I stick to what I know, and I also agree with investigating all things and keeping what is good.
Raúl, nope, didn't imply that, I meant that since you didn't agree with it, you simply decided to step away from it - nothing evil or bad about it. So again, as I probably mentioned before, it would be simply a point for you to look at when it comes to the good/evil construct and believing there's a 'side to take' on that. There's a lot of ideas probably from religion in there and simply sharing how that could be limiting you by having to 'define' you in a certain way - that's part of the points we also work with, morality and the good and evil constructs.

So, to leave it clear, I didn't imply any of that in relation to you and so I rather stand with what Gabriel says, each one lives and acts and faces what we decide to live, breathe and create in life, that's our only truth - the rest are all concepts and ideas, so there's no point in 'debating' or 'proving wrong' anything or anyone about that.

All the best to you in your path.




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