G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

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G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby christos mermigas » 20 Feb 2013, 08:59

"Collectivism is any philosophic, political, religious, economic, or social outlook that emphasizes the interdependence of every human being in a society or civilization" - Wikipedia

Its a trap - individuals are sacrificed in the context of collectivism - believing that they should choose between left or right not understanding that the end result will be the same. Cause if they are different indeed how come all decisions lead into the same direction? Where is the Change? Where is the movement from 'left' to 'right' ?

Is it possible to have more than one solution which is Equal and best for all?
Their separation is merely an act of boosting their Ego and victimizing the rest of us into the polarity mindfuck causing more separation.

And they do that by manipulating people through an illusion called 'Democracy' and 'Free will'. All parties has the same goal which is the control of the individuals. They are just the 2 different sides of the same coin.

Documentary can be found @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Marlen » 20 Feb 2013, 20:54

Here's something that I've recently found as well:
What is the key principle underlying collectivism?

The theory of collectivism (in all its variants) holds that man is not an end to himself, but is only a tool to serve the ends of others. Collectivism, unlike individualism, holds the group as the primary, and the standard of moral value. Whether that group is a dictator’s gang, the nation, society, the race, (the) god(s), the majority, the community, the tribe, etc., is irrelevant — the point is that man in principle is a sacrificial victim, whose only value is his ability to sacrifice his happiness for the will of the “group”.

What is the opposite of collectivism?

The opposite of collectivism is individualism. Individualism declares that each and every man, may live his own life for his own happiness, as an end to himself. Politically, the result of such as principle is capitalism: a social system where the individual does not live by permission of others, but by inalienable right.

source: http://capitalism.org/category/collectivism/

So let's apply common sense: if a group/ a collective's principle is not based on what's best for all - such as a gang - obviously the individual is forced to comply to 'the rule of the mob' and have no say upon the groups direction which often has a 'ruler of the mob' so to speak and will decide what is best for the mob as a separate entity to do, even if such 'doing' is harming, killing others and still remain 'a group/ a collective.'

What we present is collectivism as a single understanding of what each individual represents as part of a social organism, a collective. This implies that what is best for all cannot be more or less than what is best for all. In the case of our regular politics for example, there is this move from 'right' to 'left' as 'change' which is not so really since both political 'alternatives' are simply both sides of the Same Coin.

Now, certainly people that praise individualism do so from the vantage point of their declaration of independence that claims 'pursuit of happiness' which is what is then pursued at an individual level, disregarding what they do onto the collective = disregarding equality and opting for individuality and seeking to be 'more' than others - this is the basis of capitalism and its intricacy with the flag of 'life' and 'liberty'/ freedom and self-determination/ free will and free choice - all of this certainly shaping the model of what 'Democracy' implied as a keyword for America to excuse their ability to 'Establish Democracy' in other countries, which is something that begun after world war I wherein Democracy was considered as this 'savior' to wherein all that mattered was: establishing Democracy in the countries that were going to embark themselves in their reconstruction after the war, this to the benefit of the US agenda.

Since then, Democracy became a necessary banner to give the individual a perception and belief of freedom/ self determination through supporting their personal interests/ pursuit of happiness and back it up with their very own Declaration of Independence, wherein the infamous 'pursuit of happiness ' was made a human right - obviously, serving as the necessary lobbying for capitalism to bloom to its peak during the past century: reinforcing the Individual, 'the Self' that is the economic Self that Adam Smith forged.

That's the historic background and essentially the past that we are here to self-forgive and redefine, because we all collectively have created such trickery use of words.

For example, what we are doing here is nor against capitalism or collectivism or individualism, it is about a necessary redefinition of each word to ensure that we redefine individualism that is Absolutely Possible in Equality and establish the principles of how the individual's interests can be conjugated with the collective's interests.

I wrote a blog here about this subject which you can read/comment either here of there Can Self Interest be Common Sense? - I've written out a series of blogs on redefining a very basic definition of capitalism which can be equally found in that blog as the previous and subsequent entries from the link shared here.

Let's 'keep in mind' that words are innocent themselves, it is about How we implement them/live them that creates a problem or a solution.

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Juan Pablo » 20 Feb 2013, 21:18

Thanks for sharing Christos and for the perspective Marlen !

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Rozelle de Lange » 24 Feb 2013, 09:13

Let's 'keep in mind' that words are innocent themselves, it is about How we implement them/live them that creates a problem or a solution.
Cool sharing here.

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Kristina » 24 Feb 2013, 19:42

Cool Marlen

Yes, collectivism, as it exists is based on the consideration of the whole rather than the individual, yet with the inherent nature of man to be that of self interest and greed, we can see how still the starting point would not produce an outcome that is in fact best for all, as a lot of times societies with a collectivism tendency would be existing within more of 'fear' of causing disharmony with the group and puts the group needs before itself, so in way it's like not taking self into consideration or as an equal participant as the group, the part that creates the group, instead it sees the group as something 'more' and consequentially submits to the norms and values of the group without asking questions.

So yes, definitely a point of redefinition as to what collectivism is and who the individuals are that actually creates the group... this is where self responsibility come into play. It's the responsibility of all individuals to realize the part they play in the formation of a group/a whole and thus the 'whole' would reflect each of the individuals so cool to see that while we will polarize "individualism" and "collectivism" they in fact depend and are interconnected to each other. So this is the process, what desteni and equal money is all about, redefining who we are and how we exist and in what structures we can reflect on what's been allow and how we can adjust, redefine and align into real equality and oneness, as what is best for all, as each individual that is within the 'all'.

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Garbrielle » 24 Feb 2013, 23:22

Yes very cool responses here in this thread, thanks....also, this shows the importance of how we live words and thus how we essentially through everything we do are reconstituting and rebirthing these words into our living in the current society paradigm as only looking at the whole or the self, but not seeing the requirement for equality within both instances, that thus create the disharmony of this society and world we live in in all areas we have created ourselves in.

What will be essential is what we are doing here within the equal money system and the desteni i process, were we are redesigning ourselves internally as the process we walk at desteni, and then redesigning the without as the system we live to the equal money system that are founded and based upon the principles of equality and thus the oneness of all life, so thus we can redesign and reeducated the generations that are here and to come to become beings that are in fact really considering and thus live this equality of all life that has never been taught or really understood before. And thus once this is cycled through and we as a society live this within our world, we will see these points of back and forth as in the right vs. left endless debate within the political world cease to exist because it will be summed up within a mathematical equation that all will live by as what is best for all is best for me, and thus what is best for me is best for all, and so a balance will be created naturally. Thus we as in understanding who we are here as life one and equal to all through re-designing ourselves into beings who live this and thus are able to be self corrected and thus able to sustain ourselves and this system essentially into a balanced way of life, the way of life here will equally change and be balanced because this is who we are, this is the words we speak, this is how we conduct society, our system, our living, all has to adapt and thus creating the balance of equality in all we do within and without for this to in fact be so for real in our world and reality.

So thus an emphasis to hear what is being said within all we read, watch, and communicate about within our worlds as well as the importance of all to walk and live the re-education of self and eventually society as a whole to understand the redefinition of words from the mind interpretation as a mind systemized being to living them in a common way here in physical reality as a person who lives from and within the physical here to bring about a world that is truly best for all life in living the principles of oneness and equality within ourselves and without as our living system of this world and reality.

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Re: G. Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy

Postby Rebecca Dalmas » 25 Feb 2013, 05:35

Cool posts, thanks all.
We also cannot "imagine" what the realization of "what is best for all is best for self" exists as, given the limited self development roles presented within this consumerist society as what exists within our minds. Thus, what is cool within this process is the discovery of ourselves as life, as being a part of the whole, collectively, is being self individually, as a part of life, where self as life has the gift of life here, as all, to know self. One cannot exist without the other, as the cross referencing allows self awareness and development. Within this, it is to realize that there is not life until all life is dignified, equally - as all as one as equal. I mean, that is the "real" brilliance of life!

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